Shunyamurti... cult?... probs: Reviews

[peanutspathtotruth]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It's much more complex than that.

Yes of course it is I don't even know how truthful these accounts are, but reading them they feel authentic and coming from accumulated pain, even if it may be dramatized.

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

He is genuinely hoping to help you awaken. 

I feel that, otherwise I wouldn't have listened to him for years, even before you recommended him here. But in this case, I have to throw the ball back to you: The point is, that it seems to be more complex than that. Isn't that how cults can form, even around genuine gurus? Maybe he doesn't even comprehend (or allow to see) how much he's hurting people. Hurting and using people in the ways described by these people does not seem to be the most genuine action to help them awaken.

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

He's not doing what he does "for the money". But money is needed to run a commune.

Okay fair point, but have you read the account I linked here? The section about him and his past is interesting as well. His behavior doesn't seem to reflect the deep care he is showing in other situations, which creates this psychological push-pull movement within his students.

I don't try to state any facts, it's not simple. But just saying "well he wants you to awaken and needs money, so he emotionally abuses people and shows signs of arrogance and megalomania (if that is the case) - sure!" is, to me, not a refined enough way to look at this situation. But it depends on what perspective we're taking, how we interpret the situation  

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[peanutspathtotruth]

4 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

I stopped listening to Shunyamurti.  I actually read his book “The Transformational Imperative”.   He has created a grand narrative by mixing a lot of different theories including the psychobabble of Lacan.   His system reminds me of Scientology – you have to ascend levels of word salad (called knowledge) in order to reach enlightenment.  Theory keeps you perpetually trapped in the spinning left brain.   I am gravitating to simpler methods.  Being nice to my neighbor is now more valuable to me than studying theories.   Reclaim your power and be your own guru.

Interesting that you share that, thank you! This has been a point that had been throwing me off sometimes, but I didn't even catch it fully before reading on this site how they feel he is so immersed in his book knowledge that he just mixes it all together and a) pretends to understand it all, b) pretends to understand it better than anyone else, and c) poses things as his own truth. I'm not judging, I've seen parts of that in myself, and it's obvious to me that this is pure ego inflation (at least within me). It's interesting to note, and I'm gonna withdraw from his teachings for a while.

4 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

Reclaim your power and be your own guru.

This, I think, is the major take-away for me Thanks for the reminder <3

[peanutspathtotruth]

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[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, peanutspathtotruth said:

Okay fair point, but have you read the account I linked here?

I read them all.

It's just a difference in POV. He has a radically different POV than you or his students.

If your POV holds that civilization will collapse, all sorts of action becomes reasonable.

And you don't know, maybe it will all collapse tomorrow.

[peanutspathtotruth]

@Leo Gura @modmyth Good points, thanks for being honest. It's a great practical example of taking all these perspectives in without holding on to any of them. Let's see how this is going to develop.