This is the last time I will ever fap.

[Eren Eeager]

Guys, it is not about shame, it is not about dopamine. I am already aware of all these things. What I experience after fapping is different. Just imagine that all of the sudden after just having orgasm that you suddenly have every symptom you have when you have flu, just like that. One second you have nothing and out of the blue you are now extremely exhausted and depleted. It is like that. It is something physical. It is a disease. 

Actually I have always thought that orgasm feel like this for all people and it makes you sick until I stumbled upon this disease. 

No orgasms for me,not anymore. 

[Eren Eeager]

3 hours ago, Depersonilized said:

@Eren Eeager Serious question. Do you have smaller POIS events after you eat a really good meal or watch a really good movie? I'm wondering if it's just a dopamine thing or more than that. 

Nope. 

It has nothing to do with dopamine. I know what's like when you have overactivation of dopamine. You tend to feel numb and low level of consciousness. What I experience is literally  pain all over my body. 

[PurpleTree]

18 minutes ago, Eren Eeager said:

Guys, it is not about shame, it is not about dopamine. I am already aware of all these things. What I experience after fapping is different. Just imagine that all of the sudden after just having orgasm that you suddenly have every symptom you have when you have flu, just like that. One second you have nothing and out of the blue you are now extremely exhausted and depleted. It is like that. It is something physical. It is a disease. 

yea but i think people who are really sensitive to dopamine, serotonin, acetylcholine etc. imbalances can feel such things too

 

how's the ssri withdrawal going?

Edited December 15, 2020 by PurpleTree

[Eren Eeager]

5 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

 

how's the ssri withdrawal going?

Great overall . All the symptoms almost disappeared. But still it looks like it is affecting my ability to do psychedelics. 

Yeah and it caused me hypersexuality, lol, and premature ejaculation which sucks. 

[PurpleTree]

10 minutes ago, Eren Eeager said:

Great overall . All the symptoms almost disappeared. But still it looks like it is affecting my ability to do psychedelics. 

Yeah and it caused me hypersexuality, lol, and premature ejaculation which sucks. 

Alright well that sounds mostly good. 

ssri's are weird, there are pro's for sensitive people like me (us) to be less sensitive but it doesn't really work for spiritual/consciousness work

 

[AtheisticNonduality]

Relaxation is not depletion. @28 cm unbuffed

[Heraclitus]

@Eren Eeager have you tried Niacin ? That's what a lot of people with POIS use to nullify or decrease the post orgasm symptoms

Check this thread for example: https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=307.0

Edited December 15, 2020 by Heraclitus

[Thought Art]

@28 cm unbuffed I think there is value in no fap, but I still have energy after a good nut n tugger

[Pudgey]

Did you get your overall testosterone tested? Both Free T and Total T. You can also test LH and FSH. See if your testosterone is in the normal range (or even low-normal isn't good), which could be the reason why you feel depleted after fapping. 

Edited December 15, 2020 by Pudgey

[28 cm unbuffed]

@Thought Art

Yeah, no fap is the best thing, pure nature. And about the second thing - I gotta agree too - I fapped 3 times today and I still did all of my tasks, just no-fapping gives you this "something" extra, this spark, or whatever you want to call it

[levani]

try hard dry fasting maybe ? (maybe not, idk)

[Leo Gura]

13 hours ago, 28 cm unbuffed said:

I just said it depletes you from life energy, which is a fact.

Not a fact, more like bro-science.

[Megan Alecia]

@Leo Gura yea, it's unprovable. 

[Danioover9000]

@Leo Gura

15 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Not a fact, more like bro-science.

   Say that to the dead teenager that died from masturbating 49 times in a single day! The excessive masturbation led him to experience cardiac failure. There are times when people need to exercise will power and discipline to bring it into moderation, and times when it needs to be much less than recommended by mainstream society.

   Tantric yoga and Daoism acknowledges that for males semen retention brings more life force energy. Even if it's not a hard fact, it's discovered through empirically, in times where energy conservation was so much more important than in this Era.

   However, it's up to other people to decide if it's worth a try or not. I'm lucky enough to be just that conscious that my masturbation was a factor in my illness in most cases after I orgasm and rested.

Edited December 15, 2020 by Danioover9000

[Danioover9000]

@TheAlchemist

10 hours ago, TheAlchemist said:

People often feel shit after fapping because they have internalized shame related to it. It might be completely unconscious, it can even manifest as physical symptoms if it is really powerful. This is especially common if you had a religious upbringing, or anyone told you fapping is somehow disgraceful. You start believing it deep down, then you find the nofap communities online that say you are ruining your brain and depleting your life force etc. which will just feed the shame further. This internalized shame of big groups of people often gets projected onto those teachings. People get very attracted to it because it validates their internal repression and denial of sexuality resulting from the internalized shame. 

So much of it is about the framing, the narrative you tell yourself about it. If you tell yourself "oh I'm being a cooming loser just expelling my life force and ruining my brain when I cum", of course you will feel depleted and like total crap. You start repressing and denying your sexual urges, thinking they are "evil" or something, which will just hurt you even more. 

But you might just as well frame it like "I am having an orgasm as the universe itself celebrating the beauty of it all and expanding my consciousness further using this deep state of bliss". How would you feel after that? 

It might be something totally different for you, but having talked to hundreds of people in the nofap community I realized that for most people, the shame is the real issue, not the fapping itself. Work with the shame, and suddenly the desire to fap compulsively starts disappearing, because it is not needed as a coping mechanism for all the shame. Just shifting the frame around fapping can also make the negative effects disappear quite quickly and you might realize that you were the one creating all that suffering all along. 

 

   It's far more than just limiting beliefs and shame, sometimes different bodies do have biological and hormonal limitations within the sex gonads or the adrenals. and lack of nutrition, vitamins, and minerals can increase P.O.I.S symptoms. Also lack of sleep and over masturbation, no matter emotional or psychological limiting beliefs, can still make you far more tired.

[Leo Gura]

18 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

Say that to the dead teenager that died from masturbating 49 times in a single day!

Lolz

You can say that about anything. People have died from drinking too much water.

Why on earth are you comparing a single jerk off session with 49 times a day???

If you ate 49x your lunch, you'd die. That is not an argument against eating lunch.

[Danioover9000]

@Eren Eeager

10 hours ago, Eren Eeager said:

Guys, it is not about shame, it is not about dopamine. I am already aware of all these things. What I experience after fapping is different. Just imagine that all of the sudden after just having orgasm that you suddenly have every symptom you have when you have flu, just like that. One second you have nothing and out of the blue you are now extremely exhausted and depleted. It is like that. It is something physical. It is a disease. 

Actually I have always thought that orgasm feel like this for all people and it makes you sick until I stumbled upon this disease. 

No orgasms for me,not anymore. 

   Stay strong and continue on your semen retention path. 

10 hours ago, Eren Eeager said:

Nope. 

It has nothing to do with dopamine. I know what's like when you have overactivation of dopamine. You tend to feel numb and low level of consciousness. What I experience is literally  pain all over my body. 

   What helped me was making sure I'm sleeping enough, eating some fruits and veggies, and doing some stretches or chi gong. Get a full health check on to see what nutritional imbalances you have, Take a pain killer pill if it's too painful and see a doctor to get some diagnosis.

[Danioover9000]

@Leo Gura

20 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Lolz

You can say that about anything. People have died from drinking too much water.

Why on earth are you comparing a single jerk off session with 49 times a day???

If you ate 49x your lunch, you'd die.

   Because isn't masturbation harmless? That's what's being told in the mainstream, that masturbating in moderation isn't harmful.

   If masturbating is perfectly safe, then I can still masturbate no matter how much I deplete my seminal fluids. It's harmless if done in moderation.

   This 'masturbation is harmless' and 'masturbate in moderation' spits in the faces of those spiritual masters that practice semen retention, and the legends and geniuses that benefited from not nutting too frequently, too lightly or not at all. The sooner anyone burns the sex karma up and be done with it, the better their lives would be.

Edited December 15, 2020 by Danioover9000

[Someone here]

@Eren Eeager we all know after you nut one out you just lose it for a while. But not too long lol. You should recover within two days max. 

Also if you are not a horny teenager anymore you really shouldn't be yanking your Johnson anymore your testosterone just stabilize and you are not horny anymore unless you purposely arouse yourself.  Just save it for your girl. Also avoid pornograhy completely I don't need to tell ya that and don't bullshit my ass and say it's harmless. 

Also make sure you eat like a horse if you fap frequently to recover the lost energy. Or just don't fap at all if you are weak. 

[Light Lover]

You fools! You have awakened the No-Fap brigade!