This is the last time I will ever fap.

[Eren Eeager]

So I have this disease called POIS (post orgasmic illness syndrome). And every time I fap I literally become ill for like 1-2 days duration. It is like having flu. All the exhaustion and loss of energy and muscle pain hit me after finishing jerking off. It is also challenging emotionally. I tend to become more depressed and less motivated for life. 

So that's it I will never fap ever. Not until I find a solution for this problem. One might be is raising my baseline level of consciousness which worked previously but I still don't know for sure. 

[Gesundheit]

1 hour ago, Eren Eeager said:

This is the last time I will ever fap.

Yeah, right.

1 hour ago, Eren Eeager said:

So I have this disease called POIS (post orgasmic illness syndrome). And every time I fap I literally become ill for like 1-2 days duration. It is like having flu. All the exhaustion and loss of energy and muscle pain hit me after finishing jerking off. It is also challenging emotionally. I tend to become more depressed and less motivated for life. 

How's your diet and lifestyle (work, sports, exercise, etc...)? What you give to your body greatly affects your mind and your body.

Edited December 13, 2020 by Gesundheit

[kag101]

10 hours ago, Eren Eeager said:

So I have this disease called POIS (post orgasmic illness syndrome).

Who gave you this diagnostic?

[Osaid]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221444201930453X

Could be low testosterone according to this. Time to weed out potential causes

[Lyubov]

Look into tantra? 

[28 cm unbuffed]

On 13.12.2020 at 5:55 AM, Eren Eeager said:

So I have this disease called POIS (post orgasmic illness syndrome)

Dude, that's just the post-nut syndrome, when you inject so much dopamine into your brain, that you don't feel like doing anything, that's normal. 

Lol

[Potato People King]

On 13/12/2020 at 5:55 AM, Eren Eeager said:

So I have this disease called POIS (post orgasmic illness syndrome). And every time I fap I literally become ill for like 1-2 days duration. It is like having flu. All the exhaustion and loss of energy and muscle pain hit me after finishing jerking off. It is also challenging emotionally. I tend to become more depressed and less motivated for life. 

So that's it I will never fap ever. Not until I find a solution for this problem. One might be is raising my baseline level of consciousness which worked previously but I still don't know for sure. 

Post here again when you reach 30 days :-)

Also, maybe pay a visit to a sexuologist, he might help you with that problem.

[Eren Eeager]

8 hours ago, 28 cm unbuffed said:

Dude, that's just the post-nut syndrome, when you inject so much dopamine into your brain, that you don't feel like doing anything, that's normal. 

Lol

Nope. It is not like just tiredness. It is exhausting and extremely infuriating. It is actually a disease and the theory says it is an allergy to your own semen

On 13/12/2020 at 8:00 AM, Gesundheit said:

How's your diet and lifestyle (work, sports, exercise, etc...)? What you give to your body greatly affects your mind and your body

It has been with me since more than 17, I am 23 now. 

[Eren Eeager]

8 hours ago, Lyubov said:

Look into tantra? 

Yeah, conscious sexual activity previously almost resolved the symptoms. I will look further into it. 

[Eren Eeager]

21 hours ago, Osaid said:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221444201930453X

Could be low testosterone according to this. Time to weed out potential causes

Nice!!

I kinda lost hope from reading articles. 

Maybe I sholud research the articles again. 

[Danioover9000]

@Eren Eeager

On 12/13/2020 at 4:55 AM, Eren Eeager said:

So I have this disease called POIS (post orgasmic illness syndrome). And every time I fap I literally become ill for like 1-2 days duration. It is like having flu. All the exhaustion and loss of energy and muscle pain hit me after finishing jerking off. It is also challenging emotionally. I tend to become more depressed and less motivated for life. 

So that's it I will never fap ever. Not until I find a solution for this problem. One might be is raising my baseline level of consciousness which worked previously but I still don't know for sure. 

   I've been through these same symptoms from recently relapsing, so I know it really sucks to go through it. One thing that helps a little bit was what was I orgasming to and how? I do the best I can to appreciate the orgasm and love I felt.

   And finally, re-committing to Nofap and do it again, remember how the benefits felt, you'll get back to that wonderful state of consciousness.

[Eren Eeager]

32 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

One thing that helps a little bit was what was I orgasming to and how? I do the best I can to appreciate the orgasm and love I felt

Yeah that helped me a lot previously. When I had Whole body emotional orgasm I almost never had any symptoms vs dick orgasm which causes a lot of symptoms. 

I was on SSRIs so I had almost zero sexual desire so after coming off them I thought I would enjoy sex again but looks like one of the symptoms of stopping SSRIs is premature ejaculation and extreme sensitivity so I had some of the worse and most unconcious fapping sessions ever. And it really sucked so I am going nofap until all of this resovle. 

 

Edited December 14, 2020 by Eren Eeager

[Danioover9000]

@Eren Eeager

35 minutes ago, Eren Eeager said:

Yeah that helped me a lot previously. When I had Whole body emotional orgasm I almost never had any symptoms vs dick orgasm which causes a lot of symptoms. 

I was on SSRIs so I had almost zero sexual desire so after coming off them I thought I would enjoy sex again but looks like one of the symptoms of stopping SSRIs is premature ejaculation and extreme sensitivity so I had some of the worse and most unconcious fapping sessions ever. And it really sucked so I am going nofap until all of this resovle. 

 

   One time, in my Nofap journey, I woke up and had what's called a 'morning wood". This, and some other signs I didn't know at the time, were signs that some of my porn induced erectile dysfunctions are significantly reduced, or cured, and that I'm in the safe zone if I choose to ejaculate to healthy masturbation/sex with real GF. Also, this is just an option available to be taken, or can be ignored for longer streaks and deeper benefits of sexual abstinence. If the choice is made to masturbate, I suggest as close to bedtime, healthier version, in a state of love and intimacy, so the rest is natural to your sleep time.

[Kalki Avatar]

@Eren Eeager Congrats man.

That obstacle might help you wonders in the future. 

I have skin allergies, so i have to use treatments to have it under control. The last place it developed was on my dick. Now its healed but i actually had to stop fap for like 2 months. And I still dont want to mess with it because it might trigger allergies on that area by stretching the skin. I will just let the milk go out by itself, some wet dream or when I get laid. 

Lets see how long I can stay like this. The most important thing is that my self image has changed. I dont see my self as a fapper anymore. Back to when I was a kid. I dont even feel motivated to fap. No mental momentum. 

Remember, if you fail is ok. The trick is on controlling the self-image habit/belief/self fullfiling prophecy. 

Edited December 15, 2020 by Kalki Avatar

[Danioover9000]

@Kalki Avatar

6 minutes ago, Kalki Avatar said:

@Eren Eeager Congrats man.

That obstacle might help you wonder in the future. 

I have skin allergies, so i have to use treatments to have it under control. The last place it developed was on my dick. Now its healed but i actually had to stop fap for like 2 months. And I still dont want to mess with it because it might trigger allergies on that area by stretching the skin. I will just let the milk go out by itself, some wet dream or when I get laid. 

Lets see how long I can stay like this. The most important thing is that my self image has changed. I dont see my self as a fapper anymore. Back to when I was a kid. I dont even feel motivated to fap. No mental momentum. 

Remember, if you fail is ok. The trick is on controlling the self-image habit/belief/self fullfiling prophecy. 

   This is also common to have, not just seasonally but depending on how frequent and forceful the masturbation. It's not a fun thing to have, and at this point it's only will powering yourself not to fap that'll immediately help not worsen it. along with care and diet. This was one reason why it's better to use oil or lotion, as dry humping or dry masturbation would be not good.

[Leo Gura]

18 hours ago, 28 cm unbuffed said:

Dude, that's just the post-nut syndrome, when you inject so much dopamine into your brain, that you don't feel like doing anything, that's normal. 

Lol

Nothing about that is normal.

If you feel bad after having an orgasm, something's wrong with your system.

Jerking off is not supposed to make you feel bad.

[Depersonilized]

@Eren Eeager Serious question. Do you have smaller POIS events after you eat a really good meal or watch a really good movie? I'm wondering if it's just a dopamine thing or more than that. 

Edited December 15, 2020 by Depersonilized
Grammer

[28 cm unbuffed]

@Leo Gura

I never said that it should make you feel bad, I just said it depletes you from life energy, which is a fact.
Also, I'm pretty sure, you know how dopamine affects your brain, it doesn't mean it should make you feel bad, you just don't really feel like doing anything, which is exactly what I fucking wrote lol

Edited December 15, 2020 by 28 cm unbuffed

[herghly]

Study Daoist books on semen retention - it's our life force. Cultivate it, channel it and transmute it. 

I've not succeeded at this, but I know it to be true.

[TheAlchemist]

People often feel shit after fapping because they have internalized shame related to it. It might be completely unconscious, it can even manifest as physical symptoms if it is really powerful. This is especially common if you had a religious upbringing, or anyone told you fapping is somehow disgraceful. You start believing it deep down, then you find the nofap communities online that say you are ruining your brain and depleting your life force etc. which will just feed the shame further. This internalized shame of big groups of people often gets projected onto those teachings. People get very attracted to it because it validates their internal repression and denial of sexuality resulting from the internalized shame. 

So much of it is about the framing, the narrative you tell yourself about it. If you tell yourself "oh I'm being a cooming loser just expelling my life force and ruining my brain when I cum", of course you will feel depleted and like total crap. You start repressing and denying your sexual urges, thinking they are "evil" or something, which will just hurt you even more. 

But you might just as well frame it like "I am having an orgasm as the universe itself celebrating the beauty of it all and expanding my consciousness further using this deep state of bliss". How would you feel after that? 

It might be something totally different for you, but having talked to hundreds of people in the nofap community I realized that for most people, the shame is the real issue, not the fapping itself. Work with the shame, and suddenly the desire to fap compulsively starts disappearing, because it is not needed as a coping mechanism for all the shame. Just shifting the frame around fapping can also make the negative effects disappear quite quickly and you might realize that you were the one creating all that suffering all along. 

 

Edited December 15, 2020 by TheAlchemist