Adeptus Psychonautica's direct response to Leo Gura

[SpiritualAwakening]

@AdeptusPsychonautica Well I just finished your interview with Martin Ball, and I saw right through you the whole time, you were completely transparent. Continuously looking for reassurance with Martin to back up your ego's game against Leo. You were so happy Martin gave you the answers you wanted to hear, I could see the smirk on your face drooling. Thank you for showing your true colors.

[Jacob Morres]

This seems more of an ego game 

[Hotaka]

On 12/10/2020 at 0:46 AM, AdeptusPsychonautica said:

@Leo Gura 

Leo, you stated you would be interested in a public discussion and I (perhaps incorrectly, but I'm sure I am not alone here) interpreted that as you offering to have an on camera conversation - after all, our primary method of public broadcast is YouTube and that is where our collective audience is. That you expect me to engage with this forum rather than our common platform, and that you have ignored all my previous communications since your initial offer, makes the offer itself appear insincere and more like an attempt at damage control.

My complaints and criticisms of your work are already out there so I don't need to rehash them, but I will address a couple of the points you raised in your response which can be found here - https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/58177-adeptus-psychonautica-about-connor-murphy-and-actualized

1. You are absolutely NOT responsible for Connor, but you are responsible for YOUR treatment of Connor - clearly you agree at least to some level, because you have stopped calling him an unhinged lunatic and started treating him like a human being. So NO, you are not expected to "support" Connor Murphy, but you are expected to not be a total arse to him just because he is parroting you. 

2. The disconnect of YOU calling Connor an "unhinged lunatic", for saying almost word for word the EXACT same things you say is utterly absurd.

3. I fully appreciate that going through a process on camera is messy, and when framed as a subjective stream of thought then I have zero complaint with that. My issue is that doing so WITHOUT that proper framing is irresponsible, and both you and Connor are making the same mistakes here. Sure we all say strange things as we go through our process, but your "I'm leaving video" makes many statements framed as objective fact - and not to state the obvious, but you made this video BEFORE your 30 days of 5MEO. So NO you weren't recovering from 30 days of 5MEO breakthrough... unless of course we are adding time travel to your list of abilities?

4. I have never made a video on your "5MEO in the bath" antics. All my criticisms and footage I have ever shown are specific to the "I'm leaving" video which I have stated many times, and I try not to get bogged down in the numerous "Look what Leo has done now!" requests I receive. I think the fact that you are bundling it into this situation and getting defensive about it, probably says more about how YOU feel about that "5MEO in the bath" video. 

If you want my opinion on it - then I think setting up a laptop in the bathroom for the explicit purpose of watching porn and masturbating in the bathtub while high, is simply an indication that you have an unresolved porn addiction rather than an expression of supreme spirituality. But hey - whatever rocks your boat dude.

5. Yes I am white knighting Connor, because sometimes people need a white knight. One can only assume that on some level you agree, because you did a 180, stopped making derogatory comments about Connor, reached out to him, and now everyone seems happier for it. This is the beauty of peeking outside of the echo chamber once in while, because sometimes the position you have needs to be challenged. Now that job is done I can ride my white horse home.

6. I have never questioned whether you are, or are not God, nor stated that you claim God is exclusive to you. This is a strawman of my criticism, so allow me to clarify. My criticism simply revolves around the abilities you claim can be unlocked by having had the God awakening - an awakening which according to YOU, you have gone through multiple times. My argument is simply that such abilities are completely delusional bullshit, along with the various ego inflations which seem to accompany it.

I don't want to go through the entire video blow by blow, but here is one of your direct quotes to accurately highlight my position, and how your statements are being framed as objective fact rather than fluffy poetic subjective interpretations (see point 3 above)

"I can help you to discover that you are God. When you do realize that you are God, this will instantaneously solve every single problem in your life, not only that but it will heal you, it will heal you of every disease and problem that you have"

 ...apart from porn addiction, chronic fatigue, digestion problems, and textbook narcissism I guess?

We can clearly see that I absolutely acknowledge that your narrative is "God for everyone", and there are many more examples of this throughout the video, so why you latch onto this strawman is baffling. Its a real disservice to Actualized that so many of its followers make this basic mistake.

Now as for all the various claims about psychic powers, nonduality, what all this means - that's something we could get into if you ever want to ACTUALLY ENGAGE with me, but I'm not going to spend any more time on this forum than need be. I signed up purely for the reason to take you up on your offer for a public conversation, but if that offer is no longer there or that I misconstrued it then this account is of no use to me. Forum based back and forths are often petty and unproductive, and I think you of all people know this, so why you would suggest it as an appropriate medium for a discussion like this is baffling - again it just reeks of the insincerity of the original offer.

My offer for a conversation is still there, and as I think this whole debacle has perfectly highlighted - sometimes its good to be challenged. That challenge works both ways, and make no mistake about it Leo - you could certainly challenge me, and I think we could have a fascinating conversation. Despite how you might read my admittedly snarky and blunt comments, I have said many times that I greatly respect what you have achieved here with Actualized, and that you have done some superb work with great insights. I sincerely tip my hat towards you and encourage you to stick your head above the trench-line, because the greater conversation around psychedelics and consciousness will happen anyway - just without you. This is somewhat tragic because I think you have valuable contributions to make to the discourse that is happening OUTSIDE of Actualized, if you could just pull your head out of your own arse and be prepared to accept a few bruises to your ego.

If you find me too much of an insufferable twat to deal with, then might I recommend "Your Mate Tom" who I know is also open to talking with you. I actually spoke with Tom just last night, and he's a great guy - very down to earth, and open to different perspectives. Yes we talked about you and, with some obvious caveats, we both reiterated that we appreciate your work. Maybe its time to leave the Howard Hughes persona behind, rejoin the conversation, and clean up the bottles of stagnant piss?

One final point I would like to address is more to your fans who seem entirely obsessed with the notion that "I am here to cash in by milking the Leo cow". I find comments like this about views and subs to be extremely lame, but since I am already here and we are having a reality check then lets roll with this.

Out of 102 videos I have made then 3 are about Leo (its really more like 2.5 since this last one is more about Connor Murphy, but lets round it up to 3). None of those 3 are anywhere close to my best performing videos - so NO, Leo is not a cash cow. My best performing videos are all related to substances (DMT, 5MEO, Amanita), so if we must use such crude analogies then SUBSTANCES are the cash cow by ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE. 

I'm sure even Leo can agree with me here that a video about 5 MEO will get more traffic than a video about Leo Gura, so if your opinion of me is that I am simply looking to cash in, then your argument makes ZERO FUCKING SENSE. I talk about Leo when he says something I think needs addressing, not because he is instant cha-ching ...because he isn't.

Thanks to anyone who took the time to read all of this.

Rob - Adeptus Psychonautica

@AdeptusPsychonautica

Adeptus. Stop confessing to Leo. He doesn't want your confession.

Unless you want to be swallowed up whole

Your conflict and criticism towards Leo shows that you have an attraction to him.

I have heard that there are three things people can do when faced with God:

Ignore and move away to forget

Come closer to, in order to one day merge as one. Like a small river or stream joining a greater and more powerful one

Or fight, oppose, object, criticise, nit pick, straw man, attack

The first and third option you have are based in fear (these are your options right now)

The second is based in love and Knowledge. If you were really with Knowledge you would know who to be with and how to be with them.

To me all I can see here is that you have taken psychedelics and have not been successful with them. So you are jealous of Leo's work.

He has been successful with them. He has used them correctly, You have not.

If you had have used them correctly you would know the dangers, risks and sacrifices one must meet in order to save the world and the universe, and you wouldn't shit all over it MATE.

Either way, You will not win this battle. There are too many people by Leo's side. They may not seem like many to you, but the people surrounding him are powerful and so is he. Do you want to crucify him? Are you afraid of this? Of what true power means? Of what the shifting of the order of power is?

Leo is not a Messiah. But the story of the Messiah applies to anyone who is raising their consciousness. The risks involved and all that. Anyone who is doing this work will be faced with opposition, as much as they can handle, unless they can prevent it ahead of time.

We are not the illuminati. So when I talk about power. Don't be afraid. It is not power 'over' anything.

[Leo Gura]

Alrighty, looks like this issue has been settled.