Scientific study: Women have more power than men in the most important area

[Mannyb]

@Display_Name Great answer, sense the same thing going on. Recontextualization, that’s what awakening is about, yes. @Preety_India Read up on hypergamy, which is what drives female attraction, that’s what he alludes to here. And it’s  also completely natural for women to go from instinctually falling for an alpha to try to engineer “logical attraction” towards the beta providers. Yet women, like men will always remain under the control of God, it’s nature, it’s survival, it’s part of reality. Be aware of nature, don’t try to change it, that’d be akin to teaching a pig to fly (it’ll bother him & won’t amount to anything, in this case you’ll be bothered, God’ll keep loving, I always do ?? ). 

Edited December 10, 2020 by Mannyb

[Preety_India]

@Mannyb nobody is talking about changing nature. My point is that it's not all healthy as it seems. I completely understand the hypergamy point, where a woman is automatically attracted to genetic qualities that are best for her children/progeny, yet this is not completely true in every case, it overall looks like that, but one cannot blindly trust this process and so women have to put in conscious efforts in deciding what male they select, in this process they might even want to marry a beta even if they don't feel a strong attraction to him, simply because the beta is in alignment with their values in a relationship. And the beta could be healthier than the alpha she was previously attracted to. That's why sexual attraction can also be unconscious just like anything else, it's not a holy grail. 

 

[Mannyb]

@Preety_India It is unconscious indeed. Beta could be healthy obviously just won’t turn her on the way an alpha will. Isn’t logical attraction an oxymoron, thus trying to change nature? Sounds funny tho I’ll give you that, and will use that terminology in the future. Props for acknowledging hypergamy, many would dispute it.

Edited December 10, 2020 by Mannyb

[Recursoinominado]

4 hours ago, MrBON said:

People find this shit unfair and start crying because they dont want to do all the work while others exist.

Well, that's exactly why they aren't getting laid also.

I am absolutely against bitching and moaning.

Yeah, maybe it is unfair, but if waste even one second complaining and not taking action to improve, this sais a LOT about you, why you don't deserve to meet extraordinary women and why you aren't a high quality man.

[MrBON]

@Preety_India Before i make my response i must say that i will be refering to developed western countries here. You might be right about x country for example but i am refearing ONLY to the west. Here we go then

1. In theory you are right that guys have more options than girls since they can approach. However there is no rule out there saying girls cannot approach.MOREOVER a girl approaching will have a very easy time since the guy will basically get free date, sex, relationship etc. MOST guys HATE WITH A PASSION to approach. I mean you hate doing that too, so why shouldn't guys hate it? Approaching, rejection etc hurt  EQUALLY much to everyone. You do not like approaching, so don't guys. Therefore in practice like 95 percent of guys will not approach unless they are shit wasted (shit wasted guy is the opposite of attractive) and therefore have very few options, even fewer than a girl of equal value. If the guy approached he would have more options but as i said, the same logic applies to girls. Both genders hate approaching equally, especially pussified western guys so yeah

2. You can always use online dating which are  VERY POPULAR. A shy girl can get a lot of dates from online dating and most guys have very low standards, especially if the girl shows interest.  An average looking girl can easily get as many dates a week as a player hitting the field can if she wants to. You completely ignored online dating on your response but that is the biggest leverage point for shy girls.

3. Yes, unattractive girls have a harder time out there. HOWEVER, a girl that takes care of herself properly will rarely be unattractive. She will be average or more attractive. Ugly guys have it hard too, they have shit confidence that is caused by them being treated like shit by girls all their lives so they suffer too. Just as much.

4. Personality wise all girls have to do is be sweet, caring, cute (behavior wise) and not bitchy. How hard is that honestly?

A guy has to be confident, independent, funny, strong, assertive, dominant, witty etc etc. Being kind caring and sweet comes more naturally in today's world than being strong, dominant and confident. We do not live in the stone age anymore and these "strength" traits are rarely developed due to our comfortable lives. You honestly have no idea how difficult is for a guy these days to act in that strong charming way that you girls like. It is a lot more natural for us due to our upbringing to be nice, sweet, caring , kind and "cute". I am not saying that it is wrong to be more assertive, it is just a struggle we have and you don't , this struggle of growing balls.

Would love to hear your response. By the way i am not saying girls have an easier time in GENERAL. Girls have issues that guys don't, but they are outside of dating. Fear of rape, periods, giving birth, having to balance work and raising child, crazy emotional fluctuations etc are issues guys don't have. However, i was strictly refearing to the domain of dating.

 

Edited December 10, 2020 by MrBON

[Preety_India]

1 minute ago, MrBON said:

However there is no rule out there saying girls cannot approach

You lost me here. Girls don't approach. Simple. 

[MrBON]

@Preety_India Why not? Why should we approach? Of course you will say that because approaching is annoying and scary af and you dont like that burden. We will take it if we have to but at least don' complain about "dating being skweed against women".

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[Preety_India]

@MrBON then don't complain that dating is skewed against men either lol. 

Men who know how to game right end up getting the women they want and they don't sit around complaining how they have it all bad. 

 

[MrBON]

@Preety_India Same can be said for women. Plenty of ways for women to make themselves more attractive.

"If a man games well he will get girls".

With that logic people in poor countries should not complain about money because if they "knew how to run a business" they would be rich and not have issues with money. If you have to be on the top 10 percent to get a basic need met then there is something seriously wrong. I do not see females complaining about being incels and not getting sex and love. You cannot say that females complain less in general than men, it is just that this is NOT an issue for them. It is an issue for men though. 

I love how you keep ignoring online dating which completly debunks all your "girl needs to be social" bs

Edited December 10, 2020 by MrBON

[Preety_India]

@MrBON  then what are you exactly complaining about?

And what do you seek to achieve from this? 

I'm done with this discussion with you. It's not going anywhere.. You can keep going on with your narrative that women have it easier and men have it so much harder, but you don't want to see that it can be hard for women as well, I'm not gonna carefully calibrate how much hard it is for each gender. 

I have no idea where you're going with this. It leads you nowhere other than some black pill mentality that men just can't get women because it's so hard. 

Look, we have a population of a 7 billion on this planet, wouldn't have been possible if men weren't getting women. 

Go out and talk to girls. Sitting in a room with statistics and gender study and who has it easy or difficult, what's is this going to do? 

Yea dating is hard, hard for both gender, there is no obligation in the world that every woman should be made available to a man, if I wanted the best man I'd have to work hard to gain his attention. 

This is like going for fishing and also complaining how hard fishing is. 

Well then don't fish if it's so hard. The fish is definitely not flying and dropping on your plate. 

 

[MrBON]

@Preety_India I never claimed i used any studies, i don't even believe those studies.

You are the one that started this by saying that "dating is rigged against women", i should be the one telling you to stop complaining since you are making these kind of statements.

I never said that females have life easier, it is overall balanced, i could even say easier for men. Females struggle in domains other than dating but when it comes to the domain of dating i feel like it is a bit easier for them since guys do 90 percent of the work in the courtering process and i am sick and tired of seeing  the females i know have it effortless while the guys i know struggling (amazing guys btw). Personally i love being a guy and would not change my gender if given the choice.

I do not beleive in the blackpill, i never said if a guy is below 5/10 in looks he will never get a girl and girls only care about looks and personality is useless etc etc, the typical blackpill stuff. I despise that shit with a passion.

Sorry if what i say comes off as a bit mean or sexist but i honestly think we are both biased in our agendas so no need to continue this conversation.

I wish you a good day and life

Kind regards

 

[Preety_India]

@MrBON kind regards to you as well. 

[Blackhawk]

7 hours ago, MrBON said:

i am sick and tired of seeing  the females i know have it effortless while the guys i know struggling (amazing guys btw).

 

7 hours ago, MrBON said:

"If a man games well he will get girls".

With that logic people in poor countries should not complain about money because if they "knew how to run a business" they would be rich and not have issues with money. If you have to be on the top 10 percent to get a basic need met then there is something seriously wrong. I do not see females complaining about being incels and not getting sex and love. You cannot say that females complain less in general than men, it is just that this is NOT an issue for them. It is an issue for men though. 

 

7 hours ago, MrBON said:

An average looking girl can easily get as many dates a week as a player hitting the field can if she wants to.

 

12 hours ago, MrBON said:

A shy girl will have just as much abudance of guys as a player will have of girls.

 

12 hours ago, MrBON said:

Girls have to exist, guys have to do all that work and be awsome.

Exactly. 

Females have it so much easier than men when it comes to dating. It's a huge difference, and it's unfair as hell. Women don't even need to approach, like Preety_India said.

Stop denying or trying to diminish this obvious fact.

These debates gets heated only because some people deny or diminish the fact.

I would be happy if everyone would just accept and acknowledge this fact, then I wouldn't need to write this message even.

The response to this from you guys are usually: "Stop complaining. Work on yourself."  That doesn't change the fact. Understand? Your "Stop complaining, work on yourself" comment doesn't change anything. The fact still remains.

And also, stop thinking that all males have the capacity to improve so much that he can be on the top 10% or 2% males.

Not everyone has the capacity to become a math professor, even if that person works hard on trying to become one.

Edited December 11, 2020 by Blackhawk

[Gili Trawangan]

@Blackhawk Why do you care if other people agree with you on this? If it's a fact, then others' opinions shouldn't matter to you. Do you go around discussing that the Earth is round instead of flat? Do you get pissed if someone says the Earth is flat?

What other people are trying to point out to you is that this "top 10% males" or "top 2%" is a limiting belief that actually hurts your results. It's in your mind and you end up having an inferiority complex that works through your subconscious. Thus making it even harder for you. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I used to have trouble with dating when I was younger. Today I have full abundance. This top 10% bullshit doesn't even enter my mind, when I am with a girl there is only the present moment.

Edited December 11, 2020 by Gili Trawangan

[Blackhawk]

7 minutes ago, Gili Trawangan said:

@Blackhawk Why do you care if other people agree with you on this? If it's a fact, then others' opinions shouldn't matter to you. Do you go around discussing that the Earth is round instead of flat? Do you get pissed if someone says the Earth is flat?

What other people are trying to point out to you is that this "top 10% males" or "top 2%" is a limiting belief that actually hurts your results. It's in your mind and you end up having an inferiority complex that works through your subconscious. Thus making it even harder for you. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I used to have trouble with dating when I was younger. Today I have full abundance. This top 10% bullshit doesn't even enter my mind, when I am with a girl there is only the present moment.

Yes I actually do get pissed if someone for example says that earth is flat. I get pissed every time when someone believes in falsehood, and I want to have a discussion with that person, because Truth is my passion, and I deeply hate falsehood.

It's not a belief.

Well then you are on the top 10% at least, you are just unaware of it.

Edited December 11, 2020 by Blackhawk

[Jacob Morres]

BrooOooOoo. You have potential to get chicks. Don't worry about who has it easier!! 

[Display_Name]

13 hours ago, Preety_India said:

@MrBON then don't complain that dating is skewed against men either lol. 

Men who know how to game right end up getting the women they want and they don't sit around complaining how they have it all bad. 

I do agree with her on this; males do have more potential for dating outside their league and more power in making things happen whereas women are more dependent on their appearance however even for men with game their appearance is still a sizeable factor in how far they can take it.

Some girls do approach however, I’ve been approached sometimes and guys that look better than me have been approached quite a bit. From then on, if the guy finds her attractive too it’s just a done deal.

Not to mention dating apps.

Both sides right now are victimizing.

Edited December 11, 2020 by Display_Name

[Leo Gura]

I'm cracking down on all victim rationalization threads related to getting laid.

Don't let me catch you justifying why you are too lazy to talk to girls.