Truth = Existence

[Tim R]

I just had this realization in the shower lol.. Existence is literally identical to Truth. 

Not truth in the relative sense of the word, as distinct from something false (like 1+1=2 and not 3), but absolute Truth. There couldn't exist something which is "not true" for its existence is literally "proof" (although this of course needs no proof and can't be proven) for its Truth.

And there can't be anything but absolute Truth, ever. ("Obviously")

 

I'm starting to understand Leo's idea of facets of awakening... Truth, Love, Existence, Consciousness, these are all identical.

 

Question: how come then that @Leo Gura introduces this idea of facets in the first place? Isn't this distinction entirely unnecessary and in a sense illusory? Why do we realize facets? Are we still "deluded" in a sense?

[kbone]

 

@Tim R Yes, what is not Truth, does not exist. Truth Exists.

What most struggle with is the belief that outward appearances will reflect the Source as Truth itself, as if the world should make sense to the limited aspects of mind. They then often try to align their thoughts or learn "more" about Truth, assuming all kinds of things to be true/real/whatev.

I assume he means that he introduced facets as kind of like sign posts, or perhaps just conceptual ideas used to communicate with. He'll have to clarify his take.

Thought about Truth is not the same, so in some ways, yes, it's deluded (like diluted). Don't mistake the words, conceptual models, feelings, senses as the Truth. I'm sure you've heard the saying, "The Dao that can be spoken is not the Dao". Truth is prior to mind, so escapes words, which are dualistic from the get go. They cannot grasp Truth/Existence, only describe it away.

It's where we might introduce a distinction between Awareness of Consciousness (i.e., Stillness within which Consciousness moves). Pretty wing ding subtle stuff.

 

Either way, great to hear of your realization. Must have been a baptismal shower, hehe! Now, you can settle into the realization. I would not recommend trying to extrapolate too much from it, but instead see if you can align with the subtleties more. Not sure if that makes sense.

Edited December 7, 2020 by kbone

[Leo Gura]

@Tim R Regardless of how much you awaken you will still have a mind and this mind thinks of and talks about reality in dualistic and partial ways. You cannot hold all the facets of awakening in your mind or even in your experience at once at all times.

[Tim R]

19 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You cannot hold all the facets of awakening in your mind

I don't understand.. Aren't the facets of awakening beyond the mind? Why would I need to "hold" them in my mind?

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Tim R said:

I don't understand.. Aren't the facets of awakening beyond the mind? Why would I need to "hold" them in my mind?

Cause you still live from your mind.

You won't be conscious of them all at once either. At least not without a ton of work.

[Origins]

@Tim R Truth is just now. Everything else is a memory, which is why truth is more equivalent to awareness. When you think about existence, you've probably got so many associations coming to your mind, they're your loaded memories projecting onto what you think reality is through your conception of existence. My recommendation is to treat everything else outside of this with a combination of intuition and sophisticated correlation, that's the purpose of memory in many ways, to incrementally create more useful predictions about what's real, what exists and therefore build our conception of what existence is. At the end of the day though, its just our house of cards from our limited cognitive perspective. Don't try to create meaning, instead create stories out of experience that are meaningful; I hope the distinction is clear.

Edited December 8, 2020 by Origins