Highest Level of Consciousness

[James123]

27 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The question is, what is you without ego?

It is nothing. Because ego is whatever you have learned since so called your birth, even birth is you have learned as yourself. Entire duality, mind or universe is just a thought. If you never learn, you will never born. End of learning and forgetting is your death. Thats why so called death is designed as not be able to use the body, not to have a mind, and will be left with whatever you had before the birth. You can never learn nothing, can just be. You are already. 

Peace! 

 

Edited December 7, 2020 by James123

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

Entire duality, mind or universe is just a thought. If you never learn, you will never born.

1 hour ago, James123 said:

 

I think there is a confusion with this of the memories. you are creating a duality between memory-ego and nothing. The point is that if you do 5meo you will clearly see that at this moment you are nothing ... but when it finish you will see that you are also something, a thought, an illusion, anything, doesn't matter. So what you are right now is nothing, agree ... but the nothingness is right now something. It has no relation to the monkey mind you said before. with your mind in perfect silence you are still something, a plant have no mind and is something. this is the point for me, to understand how nothing is something and something is nothing

[James123]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I think there is a confusion with this of the memories. you are creating a duality between memory-ego and nothing. The point is that if you do 5meo you will clearly see that at this moment you are nothing ... but when it finish you will see that you are also something, a thought, an illusion, anything, doesn't matter. So what you are right now is nothing, agree ... but the nothingness is right now something. It has no relation to the monkey mind you said before. with your mind in perfect silence you are still something, a plant have no mind and is something. this is the point for me, to understand how nothing is something and something is nothing

If there is no monkey mind, there is no you neither tree. You thinking that it is tree and has no mind. These all stuff is you have learned. You need to get out so called mind, which can never grasp awakening. Because you dont learn nothing, you can just be it. Mind doesn’t involve in it, completely no mind. I did my best for you brother. 

Peace! 

[Breakingthewall]

@James123 thanks for the conversation

[Moksha]

12 hours ago, James123 said:

Whatever makes you happy Moksha! 

Just messing with you, I wish you the best too brother ?

[Moksha]

9 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

This is the point. You (and me) can't perceive how the nothingness create a thought. The nothingness is doing something. Not something, everything. Only thoughts , illusions, but exist. I can't understand how this duality exist, I saw the nothing and the illusion many times ( there is not I, etc, yes I know but still you perceived).  Anyone who went deeper is going to say that there is not duality, nothing=everything, but I can't understand. So more visits to the nothing, more time, more deep, are needed. 

I like emptiness slightly better than nothingness, because it invokes the question: empty of what? Empty of illusion, but infinitely abundant with Consciousness.

[James123]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

@James123 thanks for the conversation

Anytime brother. Thank you too. 

1 minute ago, Moksha said:

Just messing with you, I wish you the best too brother ?

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[Breakingthewall]

27 minutes ago, Moksha said:

Empty of illusion, but infinitely abundant with Consciousness.

That is. When I go to the void (artificially) it's nothingness because my ego hates so much the void that even with psychedelic it's a big reject, but I'm in the process of understanding and costume. It's pure logic that if you are in the nothingness, there is a conciousness perciving, if not, how do you know there is a void without illusion? 

[Moksha]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

That is. When I go to the void (artificially) it's nothingness because my ego hates so much the void that even with psychedelic it's a big reject, but I'm in the process of understanding and costume. It's pure logic that if you are in the nothingness, there is a conciousness perciving, if not, how do you know there is a void without illusion? 

Your intuition is correct. When you are breaking through the wall, it is a long tunnel of darkness. When you finally break through, it is unconditional love and light. You see with spiritual eyes, and realize the sameness in everything and everyone. There is no "better than" or "worse than" any more, just Consciousness doing its thang.

[James123]

@Breakingthewall @Moksha I forgot to say this, The best way to comprehend awakening and nothingness is, whatever you have learn or know, just forget everything, whatever left is it. When you really not know (not from ignorant perspective), you are already yourself, which is nothing. As Raltson says, awakening is  genuinely not knowing. Not knowing is being nothing, same as before so called birth. 

Edited December 7, 2020 by James123

[Moksha]

@James123 I agree with you. Awakening is directly realizing yourself as Consciousness, absolutely free from thought. The nice thing is, after you wake up, you get to start using your mind, instead of it using you.

Another synchronicity from this morning's meditation:

As irrigators lead water where they want, as archers make their arrows straight, as carpenters carve wood, the wise shape their minds.

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Moksha said:

When you are breaking through the wall, it is a long tunnel of darkness

Yes, getting used to emptiness is not an easy task, ego and emptiness are like two powerful magnets that repel each other. a point about illusion: for the human, everything is illusion, the world is a creation of your mind. maya is an empty hologram without substance. fine, but that doesn't mean it doesn't really exist! the point is that the multicolored mental image that forms in your mind from ... something, is that, a mental image. it doesn't really exist. That does not mean that when you look at a tree, the tree does not exist. the tree is, you are. your body is real. you want to call it "just a thought", "illusion" ok, if it makes you happier to give it that name, wonderful. What does it matter if it exists or not? for you it is a creation of the mind, that is evident

28 minutes ago, James123 said:

The best way to comprehend awakening and nothingness is, whatever you have learn or know, just forget everything

Totally agree

[kbone]

@Breakingthewall

@James123 is pointing at Truth. To Realize Truth is to back up and Realize what is prior to mind. The mind is a bifurcator, and fundamentally is dualistically oriented. All labels (nouns, adjectives, etc) are arranged as such and help to distinguish things/movements in the flow of thought and/or communication.

The story about the "spiritual search" is for THAT (Nothingness)... call it Void, Emptiness, Infinite Space, whatever you want... just labels given to something that cannot be expressed, only pointed to. All "things" that appear in that Nothingness are not inclusive of what is Whole (i.e., not inclusive of the unrealized Nothingness).

[James123]

@Moksha @Breakingthewall @kbone ??

[Moksha]

19 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes, getting used to emptiness is not an easy task, ego and emptiness are like two powerful magnets that repel each other. a point about illusion: for the human, everything is illusion, the world is a creation of your mind. maya is an empty hologram without substance. fine, but that doesn't mean it doesn't really exist! the point is that the multicolored mental image that forms in your mind from ... something, is that, a mental image. it doesn't really exist. That does not mean that when you look at a tree, the tree does not exist. the tree is, you are. your body is real. you want to call it "just a thought", "illusion" ok, if it makes you happier to give it that name, wonderful. What does it matter if it exists or not? for you it is a creation of the mind, that is evident

Yes, everything arises from, is encompassed by, and returns to God. God is the abode of the cosmos. Some of my favorite pointers:

The Day of Brahma ends after a thousand yugas and the Night of Brahma ends after a thousand yugas. When the day of Brahma dawns, forms are brought forth from the Unmanifest; when the night of Brahma comes, these forms merge in the Formless again. This multitude of beings is created and destroyed again and again in the succeeding days and nights of Brahma. But beyond this formless state there is another, unmanifested reality, which is eternal and is not dissolved when the cosmos is destroyed.

There is nothing that exists separate from me, Arjuna. The entire universe is suspended from me as my necklace of jewels. 

Lord of the gods, you are the abode of the universe. Changeless, you are what is and what is not, and beyond the duality of existence and nonexistence. You are the first among the gods, the timeless spirit, the resting place of all beings. You are the knower and the thing which is known. You are the final home; with your infinite form you pervade the cosmos.

[kbone]

1 hour ago, Moksha said:

Yes, everything arises from, is encompassed by, and returns to God. God is the abode of the cosmos. Some of my favorite pointers:

The Day of Brahma ends after a thousand yugas and the Night of Brahma ends after a thousand yugas. When the day of Brahma dawns, forms are brought forth from the Unmanifest; when the night of Brahma comes, these forms merge in the Formless again. This multitude of beings is created and destroyed again and again in the succeeding days and nights of Brahma. But beyond this formless state there is another, unmanifested reality, which is eternal and is not dissolved when the cosmos is destroyed.

There is nothing that exists separate from me, Arjuna. The entire universe is suspended from me as my necklace of jewels. 

Lord of the gods, you are the abode of the universe. Changeless, you are what is and what is not, and beyond the duality of existence and nonexistence. You are the first among the gods, the timeless spirit, the resting place of all beings. You are the knower and the thing which is known. You are the final home; with your infinite form you pervade the cosmos.

Yes. Tat Tvam Asi in which the dance of Maya entrances ones attention into the manifest dream of existing as some "thing/self" separate from THAT.

 

[Moksha]

11 minutes ago, kbone said:

Yes. Tat Tvam Asi in which the dance of Maya entrances ones attention into the manifest dream of existing as some "thing/self" separate from THAT.

It's all about the Tat