Is everyone in ego consciousness a narcissist?

[Shunyata]

Can you actually say that? Does everyone who is in limited ego consciousness not have a soul?

[SamueLSD]

The human experience is ego, we are not limited to it. 

Everyone has a soul, soul is consciousness. 

[Preety_India]

A narcissist is never defined by such narrow lens of "ego consciousness." Egoic backlash is not the same as narcissism. 

You're lumping basic fundamentals and getting them wrong. 

A narcissist is an umbrella term and it can require more than 15 traits to be able to judge someone as a narcissist, it's purely psychological term and less to do with spirituality and more to do with social behavior dynamics. 

Almost everyone has an ego consciousness. There is a natural form of ego resistance created by our minds as a survival mechanism in the environment we're born into. This is not narcissism at all, but only an attachment that can cause great distress if not dealt with properly. 

So you have all these intense ego defense mechanisms at play and while doing your energetic and spiritual workings/contemplations/insights you need to be able to deal with them appropriately. 

There is no narcissism involved here. 

[LfcCharlie4]

Everyone & every-thing & all substance is simply THIS, or consciousness.

”People in limited ego consciousness” are this too, they just aren’t conscious of it. 
 

it also isn’t binary, more of a spectrum, for example someone when playing music or sport may be in touch with their essence, but in “normal life” may still act like a separate self. 

[Rilles]

Every child goes through a narcissistic phase around 2-3 years old, then they are socialized out of it, but that narcissist streak is necessary for survival so everyone has a little bit of narcissism in them, but only maybe 10% while someone with NPD would have 90%.

Edited December 5, 2020 by Rilles

[Nahm]

No, not at all. Here’s some more specific info (below). Just opinion of course, but I’d be really careful about such a blanket lens. It’d be a trap to mistake judgement for one’s own authoritative measurement contingent on correlations (thoughts) between ‘awake’ & ‘ego consciousness’. There can be seemingly (falsely) awakened narcissists. It is entirely possible to “have awakening experiences” and perpetuate misidentification / dilute, refuse psychological help, refute all feedback, and ‘triple down’ if you will, on a more grandiose bypassing. As well, there are what someone might call ‘ego consciousness’ folks who are authentic, sincere, selfless & loving. 

Overview

Narcissistic personality disorder — one of several types of personality disorders — is a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of extreme confidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

A narcissistic personality disorder causes problems in many areas of life, such as relationships, work, school or financial affairs. People with narcissistic personality disorder may be generally unhappy and disappointed when they're not given the special favors or admiration they believe they deserve. They may find their relationships unfulfilling, and others may not enjoy being around them.

 

Symptoms

Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can:

Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance

Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration

Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it

Exaggerate achievements and talents

Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate

Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people

Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior

Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations

Take advantage of others to get what they want

Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others

Be envious of others and believe others envy them

Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious

Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office

At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can:

Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment

Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted

React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior

Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior

Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change

Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection

Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation

The recommenced treatment method is psychotherapy / psychoanalysis. 

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20366662

[Shunyata]

@neutralempty lol

[Nahm]

38 minutes ago, neutralempty said:

God is the biggest narcissist of all.

How so?

[electroBeam]

5 hours ago, Shunyata said:

Can you actually say that? Does everyone who is in limited ego consciousness not have a soul?

Trump is extremely awake compared to a rabbit or singular celled organism.

Ramana is asleep compared to a machine elf.

Awakening is infinite, its not binary. 

The whole path and awakening literature out there is all based on and relative to the human experience. Machine elves go through completely different spiritual paths and awakenings. 

55 minutes ago, Nahm said:

No, not at all. Here’s some more specific info (below). Just opinion of course, but I’d be really careful about such a blanket lens. It’d be a trap to mistake judgement for one’s own authoritative measurement contingent on correlations (thoughts) between ‘awake’ & ‘ego consciousness’. There can be seemingly (falsely) awakened narcissists. It is entirely possible to “have awakening experiences” and perpetuate misidentification / dilute, refuse psychological help, refute all feedback, and ‘triple down’ if you will, on a more grandiose bypassing. 

Overview

Narcissistic personality disorder — one of several types of personality disorders — is a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of extreme confidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

A narcissistic personality disorder causes problems in many areas of life, such as relationships, work, school or financial affairs. People with narcissistic personality disorder may be generally unhappy and disappointed when they're not given the special favors or admiration they believe they deserve. They may find their relationships unfulfilling, and others may not enjoy being around them.

 

Symptoms

Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can:

Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance

Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration

Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it

Exaggerate achievements and talents

Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate

Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people

Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior

Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations

Take advantage of others to get what they want

Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others

Be envious of others and believe others envy them

Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious

Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office

At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can:

Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment

Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted

React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior

Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior

Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change

Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection

Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation

The recommenced treatment method is psychotherapy / psychoanalysis. 

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20366662

Definitely a narcissist. 

[Nahm]

@neutralempty

I think it’d be more accurate if that picture depicted the man looking the other way, and covering the reflection, in relation to the topic. I very well might be missing what you’re saying, or implying but not saying. Not sure. If you mean in terms of Self recognition, it’d seem to be an almost perfectly opposite list of behaviorally descriptive attributes, in regard to the Mayo Clinic’s findings / descriptions. 

[No Self]

Yes, all egos are a little bit narcissistic.

Fully-fledged NPD is taken to the extreme and includes people like Jim Jones. Conflating the psychiatric condition with everyday people risks normalising/minimising deadly behaviour. And yet, failing to acknowledge this level of 'evil' as partly existing in all of us would ironically be quite narcissistic.

[PurpleTree]

3 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@neutralempty

I think it’d be more accurate if that picture depicted the man looking the other way, and covering the reflection, in relation to the topic. I very well might be missing what you’re saying, or implying but not saying. Not sure. 

i think what he's saying is that "god/the universe" etc. just wants to experience itself from different angles, learning about itself, looking at itself observing itself, procreating with itself etc.

but imo the term narcissist doesn't really make sense here because it also kills and devours itself and everything else imaginable and unimaginable.

[Nahm]

@neutralempty

What do you mean then?

[Nahm]

@PurpleTree

Can you see / feel where it is a bit ‘off’ to imply God would need man to...

6 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

experience itself from different angles, learning about itself, looking at itself observing itself, procreating with itself etc.

Also, do you acknowledge some implied dualities & self referential thoughts there?

[electroBeam]

1 minute ago, PurpleTree said:

i think what he's saying is that "god/the universe" etc. just wants to experience itself from different angles, learning about itself, looking at itself observing itself, procreating with itself etc.

Thats all relative to the human experience. Beer bottles dont do that stuff or want to, even enlightened beer bottles.

There is an overall structure to maximize love, but that structure does not necessitate that stuff independently or absolutely, rather only within a partial context. Which from that perspective you would conclude narcissism IS God.

The whole idea that God is narcissitic is like getting a human reference point, and projecting that onto how infinity unfolds itself. How infinity unfolds itself is beyond concepts of narcissism.

[Nahm]

36 minutes ago, neutralempty said:

It's just a relative intensity of self-love.

Thanks for expanding. That part I get. Takes time from what I’ve seen.  

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Now if you pair that with a strictly limited perception of self you can get NPD behaviour.

This, perception of self, I don’t get. 

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If you were to help an NPD person, help him get over the intense fear of expanding his perception of self to even the smallest thing.

So likewise, this. 

Maybe you are meaning in the conventional self awareness sense? The lower hanging fruit like awareness of one’s own behavior?