What is consciousness ? And why there is suffering ?

[Nahm]

@Javfly33

Yeah. He’s nuts. 

[Trayambakam]

21 hours ago, Bluff said:

Time is an idea, it doesn't exist. The mind thinks there is time because the content of it's experience is constantly changing. Yet the experience itself is always only prenent in the Now. And there are not many Nows, but always only the Now.

Heh!  Very straight and helpful reply  

In the Now, I can understand how time doesn't exist ... but forms do.

What then is the difference between the ''content of its experience'' and time?  

How does an idea not exist, but my keyboard or a mental image of a cat does? arent they coming from the same source.  

Thanks 

 

[Javfly33]

2 hours ago, Nahm said:

@Javfly33

Yeah. He’s nuts. 

I already lost it 

Do you really think is possible to abide in true nature or we are just victims of a random state of consciousness that God decides to be in? 
@Nahm

[Nahm]

9 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Do you really think is possible to abide in true nature or we are just victims of a random state of consciousness that God decides to be in?

If you let go of a Nahm which thinks, the victim concept, the randomness concept, the state of consciousness concept, and God as separate & decider concept....all that remains is the true nature. 

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Nahm said:

If you let go of a Nahm which thinks, the victim concept, the randomness concept, the state of consciousness concept, and God as separate & decider concept....all that remains is the true nature. 

How do I let go of that ? @Nahm It seems those concepts are like "floating in the air" of the room rather than just mere thoughts in my mind (I know of course they are just thoughts/ideas/projections, But they just seem like they are "fixed" into the walls of the dream so to speak)

[snowyowl]

6 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Love seems to come to me like glimpses of being non-separation, but I dont really what @zeroISinfinity means with reality being Actual Love tho´ 

This reminds me of a revelation I had the other day. "It's all feeling."  Emotions, yes they are feeling. Sense perceptions too, are feeling the energy vibrations we receive from outside the body. Even thoughts are feelings running inside the brain/mind - more specialised feelings, but internal types of feelings made from the sensation of memories circulating in awareness, specialised because they are structured in language. In fact, awareness = feeling = matter/energy sensitive to itself. 

Edited December 4, 2020 by snowyowl
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[Moksha]

@snowyowl Thoughts are closer to truth than sensations, Feelings are closer to truth than thoughts, and Spirit is closer to truth than feelings. The closer to truth, the more freedom there is.

Edited December 4, 2020 by Moksha

[snowyowl]

@Moksha  I'm intrigued ... how can there be a hierarchy of truth like this? A sensation is a sensation, a feeling is a feeling, I don't get how that is anything other than the absolute truth?  Thought can be untrue, I get that, if it's not pointing to the 'right' thing. Thought can interpret a feeling accurately or inaccurately, but the feeling or sensation itself is, well, just itself. 

Edited December 4, 2020 by snowyowl

[Nahm]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

How do I let go of that ?

Focus on anything else, ideally something you enjoy. Also, twenty minutes or so of meditation is enough for thought activity to settle. 

The dreamboard makes this easy because everything you want to experience etc is in front of you vs in thinking. Anything you think of that you want to do, be, have, you can add it to the board. Meditating every morning in the proactive sense is ideal. It culminates, or, momentum builds in no attachment to thoughts. You might already be doing these, idk. You could also learn about reality via science, like quantum mechanics. Also, Leo’s Letting Go video is very detailed & comprehensive. I imagine if you listened to it each morning for a few days it would really land. Letting go has no ceiling / limit. 

[Moksha]

20 minutes ago, snowyowl said:

@Moksha  I'm intrigued ... how can there be a hierarchy of truth like this? A sensation is a sensation, a feeling is a feeling, I don't get how that is anything other than the absolute truth?  Thought can be untrue, I get that, if it's not pointing to the 'right' thing. Thought can interpret a feeling accurately or inaccurately, but the feeling or sensation itself is, well, just itself. 

As I see it, it is more like a hierarchy of illusions. Truth is the mysterious black/white hole at the center, and the energy fields arise from it, concentrically, with increasing density, and less freedom, at each level.

By descending order of density:

Body

Mind

Perception (body thoughts)

Thinking (mind thoughts)

Feeling

Spirit

Mystery

[snowyowl]

@Moksha Interesting ... I've re-read both out posts, and although there's a difference in vocabulary, but there's a similar structure. One centre (feeling or truth), with a diverse collection of types (specialised feelings or body/mind/perception etc). Not so far apart after all.

[Bluff]

@Trayambakam

18 hours ago, Trayambakam said:

What then is the difference between the ''content of its experience'' and time?  

How does an idea not exist, but my keyboard or a mental image of a cat does? arent they coming from the same source.  

The idea of time does exist as an illusion or story you tell yourself. But time doesn't exist, since it is never experienced

Edited December 5, 2020 by Bluff

[Moksha]

@snowyowl I sense there is a progression from spaciousness to solidity, from freedom to constraint, and from unmanifested to manifested. The frequency vibrations of each energy state decrease, the more density there is. It is like moving from gas to liquid to solid. In that sense, creativity expresses through a continuum of states. But yes, we are ultimately talking about the same God, expressing itself through infinite forms, beyond and through the creative medium of spacetime ?

[kbone]

Suffering is directly related to and dependent upon the belief in and the identification as a separate volitional person.

To become conscious of that illusion is to end suffering and be free of the prison of the mind, a bird in an empty cage.

That awakening inspires further clarity, as one becomes more conscious of Being Consciousness.