Proof of infinite intelligence

[Dodo]

@DefinitelyNotARobot huh you sure you're not robot?  you seem suspicious. I will apply turing test on your comments sir. 

[Dodo]

2 minutes ago, LastThursday said:

That infinite intelligence decided to provide an answer through me rather than someone else?

Is your beef with psychedelics, infinite intelligence or just infinity itself? Or is it just the combination of these things that bother you?

Infinite means unbounded, without a limit. But just because one aspect of a thing is unbounded, it doesn't follow that all its aspects are. I mean you could walk in a circle for an infinite amount of time, but its radius is still finite. So infinite intelligence is unbounded in ability, but bounded in time. So what?

I have beef with psychedelics. I think people are stealing experiences not meant for them... I mean if its all zero sum and yall get the positive psychedelics experiences, who is having the negative experiences

[allislove]

@Cosmin_Visan once you let go of proving (being right) and pay attention to feelings (feel good), your life may change in a wonderful way.

[Cosmin_Visan]

2 minutes ago, allislove said:

@Cosmin_Visan once you let go of proving (being right) and pay attention to feelings (feel good), your life may change in a wonderful way.

With this mentality we would still be living in caves starving and freezing to death... but feeling good, somehow.

[SamueLSD]

Where does intelligence come from? What do we learn about?

The universe. 

[JosephKnecht]

I will provide the proof for infinite intelligence, but first I demand that you prove to me that you are intelligent. @Cosmin_Visan

Show me proof that proves that you are intelligent. 

[Dodo]

14 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotARobot said:

@Dodo Me? A robot? Hahaha! No that's just silly! I am definitely a human being, born and raised by my human mother. I am surely not an artificial intelligence which was designed by Tesla Inc in an attempt to see if an AI could reach human level intelligence yet. No sir, that's definitely not the case... 

Hmmmm you give a solid case here I was about to say the opposite, but you say otherwise so I don't knnow now. Humans do talk like that, my human mother is also human so that checks out. Beep boop boop.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Cosmin_Visan said:

With this mentality we would still be living in caves starving and freezing to death... but feeling good, somehow.

to get out of the caves, have heating and travel to Mars is science, but we are not talking about that. you are doing an impossible exercise. you understand what spiritual work is about right? is deconstructing yourself, eliminating until there is ... what? eliminating everything. For that you have to first understand it for what it is, and to understand and eliminate the reason, the concept, reason does not work, it is evident. you have to look at it from a higher place, not from within. Let's see when you dare to leave that mind that you idolize aside, even for 2 minutes. you will get really surprised

[Blackhawk]

Everything is Source (a.k.a. God). Small and big.

Whatever thought I or you create, it's coming from Source/God.

The problem is that you are fixating on the big only. "If it's small it can't be God/Source."

If both my thoughts and your thoughts come from Source.. What separates you and me at the Source level?

Edited November 26, 2020 by Blackhawk

[Blackhawk]

1 hour ago, DefinitelyNotARobot said:

I had a weird insight once when I was tripping. If you understood everything, you would understand why you don't understand anything.

Your suffering, your ignorance, the fact that you can't solve any mathematical problem just like that. You would understand all of it.

I realized that the universe understands itself fully, but in order to do so it must understand what it's like to not understand a thing.

Ignorance is just one function of universal intelligences  (I call it universial and not infinite because I personally had no direct experience of absolute infinity, only minor glimpses) 

This.

[seeking_brilliance]

Math problems do get solved all the time, at exactly the rate they do. Why disrupt that? 

[Cosmin_Visan]

2 hours ago, JosephKnecht said:

I will provide the proof for infinite intelligence, but first I demand that you prove to me that you are intelligent. @Cosmin_Visan

Show me proof that proves that you are intelligent. 

You first.

[Cosmin_Visan]

2 hours ago, DefinitelyNotARobot said:

I had a weird insight once when I was tripping. If you understood everything, you would understand why you don't understand anything.

Your suffering, your ignorance, the fact that you can't solve any mathematical problem just like that. You would understand all of it.

I realized that the universe understands itself fully, but in order to do so it must understand what it's like to not understand a thing.

Ignorance is just one function of universal intelligences  (I call it universial and not infinite because I personally had no direct experience of absolute infinity, only minor glimpses) 

Best excuse ever, lol.

[Someone here]

Infinite intelligence is  synonymous with existence. Existence is infinite intelligence. The proplem is you are identified with a human being who owns a thing called intelligence. You are not realizing that you are everything and therefore infinite intelligence. 

Edited November 26, 2020 by Someone here

[Nahm]

@Cosmin_Visan

Can you recognize how the duality ( me & x ) in thinking is circular? 

[JosephKnecht]

37 minutes ago, Cosmin_Visan said:

You first.

But how can I show you proof of infinite intelligence if you can't prove to me that you have any intelligence?

Intelligence is a subset of infinite intelligence so we need to prove the smaller before we prove the larger. 

The problem is that Intelligence can't be proven to anyone else but itself.

I asked you that question because I know you can't prove it, but you might be able to experience intelligence.

Thus, Experience is greater than proof.

[hyruga]

Infinite intelligence is all the intelligence that is in the world. 

But I have never heard of someone who said I took psychedelic and achieved infinite intelligence. 

Universal intelligence can be found in cats when they deal with cucumber. The cats jump and run away even though some cats were like kittens and have never seen a cucumber.

You need to study psychology and philosophy to know more about the irrational mind.

[The0Self]

@Cosmin_Visan It’s just the way it is. It can’t be proven logically, only directly experienced, but for me it has been undeniable for some time that there is infinite intelligence. There is intelligence, and there is no ultimate outer-bound on reality — outside your imagination, of course.

[Cosmin_Visan]

1 hour ago, JosephKnecht said:

But how can I show you proof of infinite intelligence if you can't prove to me that you have any intelligence?

Intelligence is a subset of infinite intelligence so we need to prove the smaller before we prove the larger. 

The problem is that Intelligence can't be proven to anyone else but itself.

I asked you that question because I know you can't prove it, but you might be able to experience intelligence.

Thus, Experience is greater than proof.

I'm waiting for you to prove Pythagoras Theorem.

[Forestluv]

There are dozens of themes I could write about here - each deserving a week of contemplation and a notebook full essays. In the realm of Yellow, it’s difficult to choose one component of an integrated whole and act as if that one component stands alone. In the realm of Orange, the mind will analyze that component and argue the flaws of that component as if it was a stand alone entity. Within the assumption the piece is the whole, the analysis is correct. Yet from a yellow perspective, the viewpoint is is not that the piece is the whole. Yet Orange is unaware and uninterested in greater context and immature Yellow often falls into Orange’s debate trap. Orange demands that Yellow prove the piece is not the piece while only using evidence from within the piece.

It would be like Orange only being able to see a map of Paris and defing Europe as Paris. Yellow is aware of a bigger picture map and says things like “Europe is beyond Paris”. Orange demands proof of something beyond Paris, yet only information within the Paris map counts as “evidence”. Anything outside the Paris map is dismissed as a “hallucination” or “imaginary”. The trap for immature Yellow is falling into a debate on Orange assumptions. It is true that based on the Paris map that Paris is Paris. And if we allow Europe to be defined as Paris, it is also true that Paris is Europe. Yet that that framework keeps Orange in a contracted mindset and it becomes extremely difficult to communicate that we are not saying that Paris doesn’t exist, we are saying that Paris is within Europe. Yet the Orange mind will not look at a Europe map because the mind is attached and identified to the Paris map.

This may seem absurd, why would a mind be contracted to a small map when it can become aware of the small map AND large map. Why would a mind lock itself zoomed in when it can zoom in and out? To me, the biggest block is self identity of the zoomed in map. To a mind locked zoomed in, it is under the impression that zooming out means a rejection of the small map as wrong and acceptance of the large map as right. This would be a form of death because the I AM is the small map. Yet this isn’t the case at all. Becoming aware of the Europe map does NOT mean we reject the existence of Paris or that Paris is “wrong”.

In another context, we could create a small map that “intelligence” is logic and measured through one’s IQ, ability to do math, write logical philosophy etc. The trap for Orange that it’s “intelligence” map is akin to the Paris map. Orange will demand “Prove to me intelligence is not logic!” and it will only accept logic as proof. Anything it perceives as outside logic is dismissed as “hallucination”, “imaginary” and “delusional”. And within the contracted intelligence map, this is 100% true. 

Debating that intelligence is logic vs intelligence is not logic will keep a mind trapped within a contracted dualistic construct. A much better framing is that logic is intelligence WITHIN a higher order intelligence. Yet Orange will resist this because it perceives exploring this as surrendering it’s contracted map to which it is identified. This becomes totally obvious with how they perceive psychedelics. These substances expand the map and will be strongly resisted by those attached to small maps. Small mappers will focus on people that see machine elves during trips and say “Ha! That is a hallucination! He is a delusional fool!”. Small mappers will say “If psychedelics reveal infinite intelligence, why can’t a tripper solve calculus problems!”. 

Orange can win this game against blue and Orange, because it is within the small map. Orange can compete in this game with green since green has only had glimpses of the larger map and is ungrounded. Yet Orange cannot win this debate with a mature Yellow since Yellow has seen and understands both the small map and large map. Yellow can speak both languages and high Orange can sense this. Orange will get frustrated and accuse Yellow of evading the question when Yellow keeps saying “I acknowledge that your Paris exists and is true within Paris, yet you are missing awareness of the bigger map of Europe”. Yet unlike blue and Orange, yellow can ‘speak’ both Paris and Europe. Yet to Orange, the ‘language’ of Europe will be ‘unintelligent’ since ‘intelligent’ is based on the map of Paris.

A mind that wants to defend it’s small map has taken the first step in that it is subconsciously aware there is a bigger map. The problem is that, energetically, the mind will experience this as a threat to it’s small map - to which it is identified and attached. From what I’ve observed, such a mind will try to engage with someone who has only had glimpses of the larger map and lacks details and grounding. The next step would be to engage with someone who is grounded within both small map and large map. Imo, the key here is that Orange needs to have some open-mindedness, curiosity and desire to expand - or the Yellow person will see it as a waste of time. If an Orange keeps demanding “Prove to me Europe on the Paris map!” and refuses to look at a Europe map or explore outside Paris, Yellow will get fed up and move on. . . The next stage is that Orange has an awakening that it is missing something. A moment like “Whoa, I may be missing something about intelligence”. The next step is to have curiosity. From what I’ve observed, some minds seem naturally more curious and exploratory than others. Curiosity is a opens doors and can be a major source of motivation. In one form, curisoty may be “I may be missing something about intelligence. I am going to spend 1 hour a day meditating and self inquiring ‘what is intelligence”. For me, I was immersed in a career in science and ad a traditional view of intelligence as logic, problem solving, math, analysis etc. My big breakthrough was realizing that I was contracted in a small map and missing something. Rather than defend my small map as I had done for 25 hrs, I got super curious. What if there was intelligence beyond science? What if logical intelligence is within a greater intelligence? The intense curiosity allowed me to venture outside my whirlpool. I got curious of intelligence outside science. So I moved to the mountains of Peru and lived with a tribe there for a summer. My first night there, a shaman was speaking to a group of us in a temple. He started speaking about “consciousness”. My first reaction was this guy is in woo woo land. As a neuroscience professor, I’m programmed to teach. And I was about to start teaching this shaman about intelligence, and there was a pause. That deep inner voice that motivated me to move to the mountains of Peru said “You are missing something and can discover something here. This is why we traveled across the world to be here, remember?”. This allowed me to let go of my previous whirlpool and entire a very different whirlpool and expand”. And a view meta to this is aware that neither whirlpool must be accepted as true or rejected as false.