What would push Nothing to become something?

[LastThursday]

15 hours ago, Denys said:

what would push Nothing to become something

They are one and the same thing. No pushing was done. I am both a son and an uncle simultaneously. 

The real mystery is why this something - which is unanswerable in my opinion. And secondly, why does it hang around like a bad smell? Why doesn't awareness flip into an alternate universe every Thursday? Oh well.

[Forestluv]

I’ve noticed the mind often assumes an objective, external realness that is universally true. Of course this is true in the absolute sense of ISness. Yet without a good look at the Ox, there is no awareness of the beginning which is also the end. The mind becomes absorbed in an ocean of relativity, grasping at handles.

What is this ‘something’ that is assumed to exist? Is it an actual thing? If so, it must be distinct from another thing. And therein lies the rub. For any description of a thing that is given, another description can be give since the thing is prior to description. When I describe the chair I’m looking at, it’s super easy for the mind to conflate relative and absolute. The mind extrapolates. When I describe the chair, there is an underling assumption that it externally, objectively exists and is extrapolated to be a chair from any other perspective. We now enter an area of relative imagination and interpretation. Here, there are multiple ways to interpret the “chair”, yet the mind assumes it has the one accurate interpretation that is absolutely true in a relative context. In this game, we can have a billion people observe the chair and there will be a billion different “somethings” described. All are true and all are false. We can bring in a billion different species, each with there own interpretation of the “chair”. We can bring in physicists, to objectively measure the physical attributes of the chair, yet would give vastly different descriptions depending on the level of analysis - a macro description would be quite different than a quantum description. 

In the imaginative world of relative creation, there is no external, objective “thing”. There are an infinite number of interpretations of this “chair”. Yet observation creates a “point”. Observation creates a “thing”. It’s gotta be something when observed. In the context of quantum mechanics, this is “superposition”. The “thing” is simultaneously everything and nothing, everywhere and nowhere, past/present/future, material and material. With observation, the infinite thing reveals itself as also being a finite thing - which of course it can be since it is all possibilities. In a quantum context, a physical particle in space and time may be observed. A position of finite form is a position of finite form and it is also an infinite formlessness. The mind is immersed in perceiving separation and opposites it has a very difficult time reconciling. “If that is a chair, how can it also not be a chair?”. . . At a personal level, realizing assumptions of external, objective, normative realness can be an experienced as unstable and ungrounded. Most minds avoid it to maintain personal identification. These observations are not practical in the sense of personal desires and survival. A personal lens will interpret these observations as woo woo, word salad nonsense. And within that relative lens, that is true - just as the chair is true.

 

[LfcCharlie4]

22 hours ago, Cosmin_Visan said:

Spiritual people will never tell you anything. They will just tell you to take more and more psychedelics, until you fry your brain. And from that fried state, everything will seem to make sense. Which is obvious... since nothing will function anymore, there will be no more reason left to judge the value of statements, so any statements will do just fine: "Unicorns fly", "Of course, bro". lol

 

Just so you know Leo is one of very few 'Spiritual Teachers' that heavily promotes psychedelics. In fact, most rarely if ever mention them in their teachings.

Quite a few actually don't advocate taking Psychedelics.