Connor Murphy has Eckhart-style awakening

[Scholar]

And more importantly Leo, if you say there are two realities. In one which contains "Truth is Love" and one which contains "Truth isn't Love", then it is quite impossible to disagree about what reality is, as each one of you is referring to a different reality. It could not be the case that you disagree about one singular reality if both of them are two different realities. You aren't truly disagreeing, you are just describing what is Seen.

Therefore, the disagreement is an illusion.

[Mafortu]

2 minutes ago, Forestluv said:

Is it fair to say those two realities are equally true within a higher order infinite reality? 

Funny because Leo actually asked him a similar question when he interviewed him, to which Ralston replied something like "there cant be a higher order because there cant be any more infinite than infinite"

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, Forestluv said:

Is it fair to say those two realities are equally true within a higher order infinite reality? 

That's the delicious paradox of it!

Reality is perspectival.

In a sense, for an atheist, God literally does not exist.

Any question about a higher order reality will either happen within my reality, or his.

[electroBeam]

5 minutes ago, Scholar said:

In his reality Truth is Love. It has to be if Truth is Love. In his reality there simply is a thought "Truth isn't love". That's all. Truth is Love (if it is). Truth doesn't change by what you belief in.

 

Truth can be Love without Ralston ever realizing it. Infact, no being ever could realize it, and it would still be the case. It doesn't go deeper at all, it's just beliefs and ideas. Ideas and beliefs are powerful, sure. But they are not Truth itself, they are part of it.

Maybe everyone (from trump to ralston) have realized the truth, what sets them apart is their appreciation of it. The appreciations gets translated into deluded markers such as "no mind" "truth is love" "theres no me" "reality is infinite"

[Red-White-Light]

@Leo Gura So you're saying paradigms are the foundations of reality?

[Leo Gura]

Just now, Mafortu said:

there cant be any more infinite than infinite

Except there are an infinite number of degrees of infinity

[The0Self]

8 minutes ago, Scholar said:

In his reality Truth is Love. It has to be if Truth is Love. In his reality there simply is a thought "Truth isn't love". That's all. Truth is Love (if it is). Truth doesn't change by what you belief in.

 

Truth can be Love without Ralston ever realizing it. Infact, no being ever could realize it, and it would still be the case. It doesn't go deeper at all, it's just beliefs and ideas. Ideas and beliefs are powerful, sure. But they are not Truth itself, they are part of it.

You seem to imply there is objective truth. I can’t see how one could ever know that. It seems one can directly contact ultimate truth; but objective truth? How can objective truth be known when anything objective is viewed subjectively? Objective truth seems to imply real self nature — and at this point, any notion of real self nature seems utterly absurd to me. Just thinking out loud.

Edited November 27, 2020 by The0Self

[Leo Gura]

Just now, Red-White-Light said:

@Leo Gura So you're saying paradigms are the foundations of reality?

There is no foundation!

It is groundless.

However you imagine reality is how it is, for you, now. Until you imagine it otherwise.

[electroBeam]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

That's the delicious paradox of it!

Reality is perspectival.

In a sense, for an atheist, God literally does not exist.

There's a knowing which stays the same and permanent through all those perspectives.

Not saying that knowing is separate to the perspectives perhaps the knowing is the perspectiveness of reality.

[Scholar]

2 minutes ago, The0Self said:

You seem to imply there is objective truth. I can’t see how one could ever know that. It seems one can directly contact ultimate truth; but objective truth? How can there be objective truth when anything objective is viewed subjectively? Objective truth seems to imply real self nature — and at this point, any notion of real self nature seems utterly absurd to me. Just thinking out loud.

You have drawn a dichotomy between objectivity and subjectivity that does not exist. They are both the same. All subjectivity is ultimately Truthful.

[Forestluv]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That's the delicious paradox of it!

Reality is perspectival.

Yes, a delicious paradoxical snack. An imagine of infinite mirrors arises.

[Red-White-Light]

@Leo Gura Wouldn't a greater model be an absolute consciousness that generates the reality and then what consciousness builds can become self aware in different ways? Thus reality isn't actually truly groundless, because it's grounded in absolute consciousness.

Edited November 27, 2020 by Red-White-Light

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Red-White-Light said:

Thus reality isn't actually truly groundless, because it's grounded in absolute consciousness.

Same difference.

And what is absolute consciousness grounded in?

[Forestluv]

10 minutes ago, Scholar said:

if you say there are two realities. In one which contains "Truth is Love" and one which contains "Truth isn't Love", then it is quite impossible to disagree about what reality is, as each one of you is referring to a different reality. It could not be the case that you disagree about one singular reality if both of them are two different realities. You aren't truly disagreeing, you are just describing what is Seen.

Therefore, the disagreement is an illusion.

Superposition, entanglement and observation of finite positions. . . 

[Leo Gura]

Look, words are always gonna break down when you try to go this deep.

The ultimate answer is to sit and shut up and be conscious.

Infinity cannot ever be made sense of or explained.

It will NEVER make sense to the logical mind. If it does, you fucked up.

[Scholar]

The fact that when you put all of this into language it turns out with paradoxes and "contradictions" is the most beautiful illustration of why language is lmiited and simply does not work int capturing any of this at all.

 

Language is like trying to play 4D chess on 2 dimensional chess boards.

 

Edited November 27, 2020 by Scholar

[Red-White-Light]

@Leo Gura Emptiness, might be the closest word I can think.

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Same difference.

And what is absolute consciousness grounded in?

 

Edited November 27, 2020 by Red-White-Light

[The0Self]

1 minute ago, Scholar said:

You have drawn a dichotomy between objectivity and subjectivity that does not exist. They are both the same. All subjectivity is ultimately Truthful.

That’s obvious to me. I’m aware subject and object are interdependent and empty. You said in Ralston’s reality, truth is love, regardless of his perspective. In my view, any solution to a problem is not the truth, but simply an answer, to an unreal limitation.

[The0Self]

1 minute ago, Red-White-Light said:

Emptiness, might be the closest word I can think.

Well it isn’t grounded, so yeah I guess that would be a good word lol

[AtheisticNonduality]

I believe this situation can best be summed up by the song "Rosetta Stoned" by TOOL.

NURSE: Excuse me, doctor? If you have a moment.
DOCTOR: A moment? What's the question?
NURSE: More of a situation, a gentleman in Exam 3.
DOCTOR: What's the problem?
NURSE: That is the problem, we're not sure.
DOCTOR: You've got the chart?
NURSE: Right here.
DOCTOR: Hmm... not much here, is there?
NURSE: No doctor, no obvious physical trauma, vitals are stable
DOCTOR: Name?
NURSE: No sir.
DOCTOR: Did someone drop him off? Maybe we can speak to them. Let's get some background on this fellow.
NURSE: No ID, nothing, and he won't speak to anyone.
DOCTOR: Well, let's say hello.

DOCTOR: Good morning, I'm Dr. Watson. How are you today? How are you today? Look son, you're in a safe place, we want to help you, in whatever way we can. But you need to talk to us, we can't help you otherwise. Now, what's happened? Tell me everything.

Alrighty, then
Picture this if you will

10 to 2 AM, X, Yogi DMT, and a box of Krispy Kremes
In my "need to know" pose, just outside of Area 51
Contemplating the whole "chosen people" thingy
When just then a flaming stealth banana split the sky
Like one would hope but never really expect to see in a place like this
Cutting right angle donuts on a dime
And stopping right at my Birkenstocks
And me yelping, "holy fucking shit!"
Holy fucking shit!
Holy fucking shit!
Holy fucking shit!
Holy fucking shit!
Holy fucking shit!
Holy fucking shit!

Then the X-File being
Looking like some kind of blue-green Jackie Chan
With Isabella Rossellini lips, and breath that reeked of
Vanilla Chig Champa
Did a slow-mo Matrix descent
Outta the butt end of the banana vessel
And hovered above my bug-eyes, my gaping jaw
And my sweaty L. Ron Hubbard upper lip
And all I could think was
"I hope Uncle Quark here doesn't notice
That I pissed my fuckin' pants"

So light in his way, like an apparition, that
He had me crying out
"Fuck me, it's gotta be
The Deadhead Chemistry
The blotter got right on top of me
Got me seein' E-motherfuckin'-T!"

And after calming me down
With some orange slices
And some fetal spooning
E.T. revealed to me his singular purpose
He said, "You are the chosen one
The one who will deliver the message
A message of hope for those who choose to hear it
And a warning for those who do not"
Me, the chosen one
They chose me
And I didn't even graduate from fuckin' high school

You'd better
You'd better
You'd better
You'd better listen

Then he looked right through me
With somniferous almond eyes
Don't even know what that means
Must remember to write it down
This is so real
Like the time Dave floated away
See, my heart is pounding
'Cause this shit never happens to me

I can't breathe right now!
It was so real
Like I woke up in Wonderland
All sorta terrifying
I don't wanna be all alone
While I tell this story
And can anyone tell me why
You all sound like Peanuts parents?
Will I ever be coming down?
This is so real
Finally, it's my lucky day
See, my heart is racing
'Cause this shit never happens to me

I can't breathe right now
You believe me, don't you?
Please believe what I've just said!
See the Dead ain't touring
And this wasn't all in my head
See, they took me by the hand
And invited me right in
Then they showed me something
I don't even know where to begin

Strapped down to my bed
Feet cold and eyes red
I'm out of my head
Am I alive? Am I dead?
Can't remember what they said
God damn, shit the bed

Overwhelmed as one would be, placed in my position
Such a heavy burden now to be the one
Born to bear and bring to all the details of our ending
To write it down for all the world to see
But I forgot my pen
Shit the bed again
Typical

Strapped down to my bed
Feet cold and eyes red
I'm out of my head
Am I alive? Am I dead?
Sunkist and Sudafed
Gyroscopes and infrared
Won't help, I'm brain dead
Can't remember what they said
God damn, shit the bed

I can't remember what they said to me
Can't remember what they said to make me out to be the hero
Can't remember what they said
Bob help me!
Can't remember what they said

Don't know, won't know
Don't know, won't know
Don't know, won't know
Don't know, won't know
Don't know, won't know
Don't know, won't know
Don't know, won't know
Don't know, won't know
Don't know, won't know
Don't know, won't know
Don't know, won't know
Don't know, won't know
God damn, shit the bed