Biden most likely not going to prosecute trump for any crimes

[Sempiternity]

Sounds like Biden is going to let Trump get away with all his crimes. All the damage Trump has done, responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands, putting children in cages, treason against his own country, and Biden wants to make sure he doesn't have to face any repercussions for any of it.

"Biden specifically told advisers that he is wary of federal tax investigations of Trump or of challenging any orders Trump may issue granting immunity to members of his staff before he leaves office. One adviser said Biden has made it clear that he "just wants to move on."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/president-elect-biden-wary-trump-focused-investigations-sources-say-n1247959

Edited November 17, 2020 by Sempiternity

[Sempiternity]

Fuck it, the only hope in the past 4 years was the chance Trump would eventually go to jail for all the numerous crimes he's committed against the American people. Now it's looking like justice will not be done. Shouldn't surprise me, just like racism, America is nothing if not predictable at letting the rich get away with crimes that the poor would get life for. 

If this is the direction Biden is going to go, I have little hope Biden will be anything close to a good president. Just another corrupt politician, looking out for his own. 

[PurpleTree]

Chomsky:

"If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged. By violation of the Nuremberg laws I mean the same kind of crimes for which people were hanged in Nuremberg. And Nuremberg means Nuremberg and Tokyo."

 

[Leo Gura]

Obviously Biden is not gonna go after Trump. Nor is that a good idea. That is not his job.

Trump's crimes are being investigated by state prosecutors.

Bad policy decisions are not crimes.

[Lyubov]

Some people are freaking out about this but I don't think they are taking the time to understand. He isn't granting a pardon to Trump. He is saying that he is remaining out of it. This is good. We don't need presidents going after each other. That is not how our government is intended to work. That is the role of independent prosecutors. It is up to the house, justice department and state prosecutors to check and balance presidents. Not presidents over other presidents. He has better things to focus on as president. 

[Sempiternity]

1 hour ago, Lyubov said:

Some people are freaking out about this but I don't think they are taking the time to understand. He isn't granting a pardon to Trump. He is saying that he is remaining out of it. This is good. We don't need presidents going after each other. That is not how our government is intended to work. That is the role of independent prosecutors. It is up to the house, justice department and state prosecutors to check and balance presidents. Not presidents over other presidents. He has better things to focus on as president. 

Good way of looking at it. Thanks. 

[Preety_India]

Trump did not commit any crimes per se. 

 

[Opo]

1 hour ago, Preety_India said:

Trump did not commit any crimes per se. 

 

Taxes? 

[Sempiternity]

49 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

Trump did not commit any crimes per se. 

 

Not sure where you are getting that. 

He's suspected of tax fraud, tax evasion, accused of sexual harassment/assault/rape by more than a dozen women, money laundering, unlawfully used the office of the presidency to benefit his personal finances, illegally obstructed the congressional investigation of his actions, conspired with Russian intelligence to commit an offense against the United States, falsifying business records, Perjury, paying hush money for silence of a crime, illegally extorted/bribed a foreign leader for political favors, solicited election interference from a foreign nations, illegally withheld foreign aid approved by Congress. I'm sure the list goes on and on.

 

[Godhead]

Putting Trump in jail would only rile up all the trump supporters. What America needs more than anything right now is unity and I'm sure Biden understands that very well. 

[Sempiternity]

7 minutes ago, Godhead said:

Putting Trump in jail would only rile up all the trump supporters. What America needs more than anything right now is unity and I'm sure Biden understands that very well. 

So what? Ted Bundy had a big following of fans. Should we as a society have let him go because it might upset his fans?

What we need as a country is show that there are consequences to almost destroying the country. If not, it is a huge green light to every evil criminal to get into politics, because you can do whatever crimes you want and there will never be any repercussions. Imagine someone smart, calculated, and more ambitious than trump running for president because trump got off scot free for his crimes, imagine the damage that they could do. If we do nothing, that's precisely what we are inviting to happen. 

[Preety_India]

56 minutes ago, Sempiternity said:

Not sure where you are getting that. 

He's suspected of tax fraud, tax evasion, accused of sexual harassment/assault/rape by more than a dozen women, money laundering, unlawfully used the office of the presidency to benefit his personal finances, illegally obstructed the congressional investigation of his actions, conspired with Russian intelligence to commit an offense against the United States, falsifying business records, Perjury, paying hush money for silence of a crime, illegally extorted/bribed a foreign leader for political favors, solicited election interference from a foreign nations, illegally withheld foreign aid approved by Congress. I'm sure the list goes on and on.

 

 

tax fraud  - not proved in court 

tax evasion- not proved in court 

accused of sexual harassment - not proved in court 

assault/rape by more than a dozen women--not proved in court 

money laundering - not proved in court 

unlawfully used the office of the presidency to benefit his personal finances - not proved in court 

 

illegally obstructed the congressional investigation of his actions - not proved in court 

Conspired with Russian intelligence to commit an offense against the United States-not proved in court 

falsifying business records - not proved in court 

Perjury-not proved in court 

paying hush money for silence of a crime-not proved in court 

illegally extorted/bribed a foreign leader for political favors - not proved in court 

solicited election interference from a foreign nations - not proved in court 

illegally withheld foreign aid approved by Congress - not proved in court 

And they will never be proved in court. 

I'm not saying that Trump is a good guy. In fact he is a bad guy. And I'm not saying that he didn't do the mentioned list. But he never got prosecuted for anything so all of it goes to the drain. The chances that he will ever get prosecuted or jailed for any wrongdoing is absolutely zero. Null. Nil. We don't live in a righteous or just world.. We live in a wrong world where a common man goes to prison for a bunch of Marijuana and people like Trump get away with anything they want to get away with. 

This is the shape and form of reality and the sooner you learn it the better. 

Even if  we hoped deeply that Trump should go to prison, he is still not going to prison because he is cushioned and protected by cronies in high places, he will always get diplomatic immunity and nobody will dare to prosecute him because they will be scared of hurting the feelings of many people. TRUMP has successfully created a human shield for himself. He is well protected by masses and his cronies in good connections, both in the United States and overseas. 

.Trump will continue to live the life of a megalomaniac with immunity and right under people's noses, this is his game and he is proud of it. He is aware of his endless supply of privileges. He will never end up in bad shape. He will never allow that. He is too selfish to ever suffer needlessly. He has made sure that all his bases are well covered, he has a nice set of lawyers. 

Trump will never be an upset man because he is a narcissist. They don't lose because they have to win at all costs. He doesn't even accept an election loss, what are the odds /chances that he will accept prison or even a simple acknowledgement of his wrongdoings? 

Theoretically speaking, a crime is only a crime if it has been proven in the court of law and the defendant has been indicted or accused. Until then it's a speculation but not a crime. 

So by that reasoning, Trump is free of all accusations. If a crime is not proved, it did not happen (even though it actually happened). 

Trump is the type of guy who purposely commits a crime because he knows he is rich enough to pay the fine for the crime. Can you call such a person an idiot? No.. Because he has created a leverage for himself which gives him room to do bad things but these things  help him in some way, because in his eyes they are not crimes but transactions for more power or benefit. So if Trump knows that he will only pay a small fee for looting a bank but looting will make him super rich, then he will do it, to him it won't appear as a crime, and to do it more and more he will keep building leverage to make sure that he gets away with it. This is psychoanalysis. That way he can't be called an idiot, arrogant, sure he is arrogant, but he is no idiot. If a common man, without any leverage, did what Trump did, he would easily end up in prison, but not Trump, thus has got nothing to do with money, because Trump is in debt, it has everything to do with power and leverage created through high connections.. Trump is trying super hard to play the reality matrix and win at it and collect his brownies. Often times he wins. 

I hope his web of deception that he kept weaving for so many years gets too complicated for him to handle and collapses on him and he gets his karma. 

But one thing is sure, whether he wins or loses in life with his smart tactics, he will never have peace of mind. Peace of mind can't be created by playing deceptive selfish games. 

Edited November 17, 2020 by Preety_India

[Emerald]

12 hours ago, Sempiternity said:

Sounds like Biden is going to let Trump get away with all his crimes. All the damage Trump has done, responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands, putting children in cages, treason against his own country, and Biden wants to make sure he doesn't have to face any repercussions for any of it.

"Biden specifically told advisers that he is wary of federal tax investigations of Trump or of challenging any orders Trump may issue granting immunity to members of his staff before he leaves office. One adviser said Biden has made it clear that he "just wants to move on."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/president-elect-biden-wary-trump-focused-investigations-sources-say-n1247959

Of course Biden doesn't want to prosecute him... it would set a precedent for him to be prosecuted after leaving office as there's a very good chance (nearly 100%) that his presidency won't be squeaky clean. It was probably a huge motivation for Obama in not prosecuting Bush for his war crimes as Obama continued doing a lot of the same (drone strikes, spying, etc.)

So, Biden isn't going to hold Trump accountable on that level. It's too risky for him. And really all those who are working in the establishment want to make sure that they remain above the law. So, it benefits them to let Trump remain above the law and skate by.

But! Trump is very likely to get popped for financial crimes he committed prior to becoming the president... but on the state level not the federal level. There are certain people who are pursuing action on the state level that have really been sifting through Trump's financial records. And if he gets convicted of a crime on the state level, the federal government wouldn't have any hand in it.

So, if he does get indicted, it would likely come from the states.

 

Edited November 17, 2020 by Emerald

[Lyubov]

Trump's financial crimes are being handled by state prosecutors in NY and anything he might have done as president will be investigated by the house and followed up by the justice department if called upon. Biden isn't granting any pardons. This is pretty straight forward.