Trump thinking about bombing Iran

[Sempiternity]

Trump does nothing in his job but play golf, tweet, and start fights. He's already lost the election, and should be preparing to leave his job. But instead he is trying to do as much damage as he can on his way out. Bombing Iran right before he leaves would be a pretty good "fuck you, and good luck with that" to Biden.


https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/16/politics/trump-possible-offensive-iran-nuclear-site/index.html

[PurpleTree]

now that would be a really unforgivable bad decision imo

he made some bad decisions but this wold be the worst by far, i don't really care if he fights with reporters, is a narcissist and covid deaths aren't really his fault imo etc.

[Rilles]

"But Trump is peaceful! He saved the Middle-East!"

 

 

 

 

 

 

Says the Trumpsters

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Rilles said:

"But Trump is peaceful! He saved the Middle-East!"

 

 

 

 

 

 

Says the Trumpsters

Not a Trumper but can we totally trust cnn on donnie? Those are like tom and jerry

 

Or maybe it's Kushner in his ear  

[Sempiternity]

4 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Not a Trumper but can we totally trust cnn on donnie? Those are like tom and jerry

Here's a couple more sources:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/17/trump-asked-for-options-for-attacking-iran-last-week-but-held-off-source-says.html

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/11/trump-asked-about-options-to-strike-iran-last-week-report.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-considered-attacking-iran-main-nuclear-site-2020-11

Not sure if they are any better, but if many sources say the same thing, one can probable bet that there's some truth to it. 

[PurpleTree]

12 minutes ago, Sempiternity said:

Here's a couple more sources:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/17/trump-asked-for-options-for-attacking-iran-last-week-but-held-off-source-says.html

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/11/trump-asked-about-options-to-strike-iran-last-week-report.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-considered-attacking-iran-main-nuclear-site-2020-11

Not sure if they are any better, but if many sources say the same thing, one can probable bet that there's some truth to it. 

Yea that would be horrible and very dumb let's just hope this is all just "tough talk"

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

now that would be a really unforgivable bad decision imo

he made some bad decisions but this wold be the worst by far, i don't really care if he fights with reporters, is a narcissist and covid deaths aren't really his fault imo etc.

When you enable a monster, don't be surprised when he bites you.

[Tim R]

2 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

covid deaths aren't really his fault imo etc.

What. Why not? At least it's partially his fault that so many people died, he completely failed at that...

[PurpleTree]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

When you enable a monster, don't be surprised when he bites you.

Don't know if there's anything in us politics which could really surprise me and still think bush was much worse

but maybe it's the system which is kind of "monstrous" and not the people serving the function, as hegemony and superpower status etc. naturally come with a lot of suppression, pain, interventions etc.

 

2 minutes ago, Tim R said:

What. Why not? At least it's partially his fault that so many people died, he completely failed at that...

Sweden, France, Italy etc. and many more don't have right wing populist, narcissist governments and they have similar amounts of death per capita cases.

Sweden is touted as a shining beacon of hope a lot by left wing americans on many issues for example so who's to blame there for their deaths if they don't have a Trump who can be blamed for everything "bad"? God, bad luck, nature, right wingers who don't wear masks, china?

[Peter-Andre]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

Sweden is touted as a shining beacon of hope a lot by left wing americans on many issues for example so who's to blame there for their deaths if they don't have a Trump who can be blamed for everything "bad"? God, bad luck, nature, right wingers who don't wear masks, china?

@PurpleTree That seems like whataboutism to me. There are absolutely things we can blame Trump for, such as downplaying the virus and spreading misinformation about (among other things) mask wearing. There would absolutely have been fewer deaths in the US if he actually handled it responsibly.

And me saying that doesn't mean I can't criticize Sweden's response as well. Of course I can, but the point here is that Trump made the US's Covid response far worse than it should have been. Had someone like Hillary Clinton been president now, I would bet that there would have been far fewer deaths in the US.

[PurpleTree]

9 minutes ago, Peter-Andre said:

@PurpleTree That seems like whataboutism to me. There are absolutely things we can blame Trump for, such as downplaying the virus and spreading misinformation about (among other things) mask wearing. There would absolutely have been fewer deaths in the US if he actually handled it responsibly.

"whataboutism" seems like a word to just shut down valid arguments most of the time imo.

how can we not compare different countries response during this pandemic?

i never said trump couldn't have done a better job. obviously he could. but anti trumpers get so personal with everything like"He's responsible for hundreds of thousands of  deaths" really?

But you don't get personal with Swedens or Frances government or you just don't care about it because it doesn't serve/support your argument.

This is a pandemic, it's a sad thing, whether it was man made or naturally came from bats from a wet market in China.

Countries suffer from it, whether it's countries like Sweden, Spain, Mexico or the US.

Some countries are lucky like like NZ, Japan etc. NZ because it's small and an island and countries like Japan, S. Korea etc. because they're better equipped to deal with pandemics.

 

[Peter-Andre]

15 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

"whataboutism" seems like a word to just shut down valid arguments most of the time imo.

how can we not compare different countries response during this pandemic?

i never said trump couldn't have done a better job. obviously he could. but anti trumpers get so personal with everything like"He's responsible for hundreds of thousands of  deaths" really?

But you don't get personal with Swedens or Frances government or you just don't care about it because it doesn't serve/support your argument.

This is a pandemic, it's a sad thing, whether it was man made or naturally came from bats from a wet market in China.

Countries suffer from it, whether it's countries like Sweden, Spain, Mexico or the US.

Some countries are lucky like like NZ, Japan etc. NZ because it's small and an island and countries like Japan, S. Korea etc. because they're better equipped to deal with pandemics.

Regarding whataboutism: It's actually a pretty useful term for a common phenomenon. It's when someone brings up a non-sequitur as an argument. This is often done to change the subject, shift blame or move the goalposts in a discussion. In this case, the point here was that Trump is largely responsible for the number of Covid deaths in the US as a response to you saying that the Covid deaths weren't really his fault.

Now, I agree that he's not responsible for every single death from Covid in the US, but the number of deaths is a lot higher than it should have been because of his incompetent and irresponsible response. It's very easy to point to Trump's handling of the Coronavirus epidemic and find obvious faults, and we should criticize him for it. But that does not mean that we can't also criticize other countries. Of course we can, but we don't need to criticize Sweden every time we criticize Trump.

[diamondpenguin]

Fax dude. Why cant America just take it easy? 

[PurpleTree]

3 hours ago, Peter-Andre said:

Now, I agree that he's not responsible for every single death from Covid in the US

Not every single one? Niceee, that's so generous 

 

 

 

I think Trump wants to be loved and admired the most. If bombing Iran brings admiration he might do it, but luckily most people are anti war and would hate him for it, so he probably won't.

[Danioover9000]

@Sempiternity

8 hours ago, Sempiternity said:

Trump does nothing in his job but play golf, tweet, and start fights. He's already lost the election, and should be preparing to leave his job. But instead he is trying to do as much damage as he can on his way out. Bombing Iran right before he leaves would be a pretty good "fuck you, and good luck with that" to Biden.


https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/16/politics/trump-possible-offensive-iran-nuclear-site/index.html

   I'm reminded of what transpired during the war of the folk land islands. Argentina's socio-political climate was depressing, and when the Junta's, a military force that imposed marshal law in Argentina, heard of some Argentinian metal workers revolting on one of the folk land islands, they decided it was a great time to distract the masses from such political turmoil with a narrative to reclaim the folk land islands from Great Britain, which lead the country to a short war over the islands.

   

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Sempiternity

   I'm reminded of what transpired during the war of the folk land islands. Argentina's socio-political climate was depressing, and when the Junta's, a military force that imposed marshal law in Argentina, heard of some Argentinian metal workers revolting on one of the folk land islands, they decided it was a great time to distract the masses from such political turmoil with a narrative to reclaim the folk land islands from Great Britain, which lead the country to a short war over the islands.

   

Yea and then Thatcher sent the army and they mowed those boys down. Wasn't a great tactic for distraction in the end.

Erdogan is doing the same at the moment, starting conflicts left and right because of the economy etc.

[Danioover9000]

@PurpleTree

5 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Yea and then Thatcher sent the army and they mowed those boys down. Wasn't a great tactic for distraction in the end.

Erdogan is doing the same at the moment, starting conflicts left and right because of the economy etc.

   That politician in Denmark? Or was it Holland? Sorry can't remember correctly. I thought he was a democratic socialist, but he's starting conflicts not just the right, but the left political parties? This is news to me.

   

     

[PurpleTree]

6 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@PurpleTree

   That politician in Denmark? Or was it Holland? Sorry can't remember correctly. I thought he was a democratic socialist, but he's starting conflicts not just the right, but the left political parties? This is news to me.

   

     

Erdogan? He's the president of Turkey, and right now Turkey is involved in a few conflicts in recent years.

Syria, Libya, Iraq, In the Eastern Mediterranean with Greece because of oil etc. and supported Azerbaijan against Armenia, and a hundred yrs ago there was the genocide of Armenians in Turkey. Turkey is still an important NATO member because of its location, size etc. and the US (and Europe) wouldn't want that Turkey gets much closer with Russia. So Erdogan is kind of playing all sides a bit while his economy tanks and is using his NATO membership and the refugee crisis as a free pass to do so.

[CharlieWex]

Do not forget the main Mr. Trump showman !

[Danioover9000]

@neutralempty

On 11/21/2020 at 6:12 AM, neutralempty said:

@Tim R Covid deaths are no-one's fault but ours for not stopping our nonsensical consumption and treatment of animals. For not being able to come together and achieve such a simple yet important goal.

   I thought Covid virus was a biological weapon leaked out from one of their labs near Wuhan? Regardless, China, unlike other countries, was at one point struggling with feeding the population, because unlike other countries that had enough tame animal diversity, China mostly had wild animals more so than tame livestock animals, which is why some parts of the Chinese markets sell bizarre animals.

   I'm with you on a country's increasing capability to manage it's food markets, and weapons facilities.