Spiral Dynamics Practice Thread

[Leo Gura]

Here's a fun way of learning Spiral Dynamics: try to play-act the role of any given stage, like a good actor. And really feel that stage's worldview.

Example: How would stage Blue see gay people? Imagine it! Adopt the Blue perspective on homosexuality as if it was your own.

So.... "Homosexuality is against God's will as written in the Bible. It is deviant behavior which will condemn a soul to hell unless it repents and asks for forgiveness. Therefore to legalize gay marriage is for our society to sanction sin and evil. If God sees too many of us descend into sin and the rest of us cave in to this depravity and debauchery without speaking out for righteousness, then our whole society will be forsaken by God. Therefore it is everyone's duty to call out sinfulness whenever it is seen and to fight against it. So we must either help these sinners get on the righteous path to God, or if they refuse, we must cast them out of our society so they don't corrupt our children and rip apart the fabric of our righteous society. Just because a few men on the Supreme Court think gay marriage is Constitutional does not matter because ultimately it's still a sin. The US Constitution is secondary to the will of God. A sin which is 'Constitutional' is still a sin and we should not support it because being righteous is more important than following some human-made law which changes with the wind. For these reasons we should obviously also not allow gay people to adopt kids, teach kids in schools, or kiss in public."

You see the idea.

Now give it a shot.

The exercise only works if you really are able to look at the world through another set of eyes besides your own.

So, I invite you guys to try it out. Post your results here. You can do this for a range of topics, not just homosexuality. And you can do it from all the Spiral stages: Red, Blue, Orange, Green, Yellow, Turquoise

Here are some topics to jog your mind:

• Homosexuality
• Transgender people
• Gender is a social construct
• Trump
• Obama
• Global warming
• Abortion
• Gun control
• Capitalism
• Socialism
• Racism
• Sex education
• War
• Pickup
• Cancel culture
• God
• New Age teachings
• Relativism
• Post-modernism
• Jordan Peterson
• Sam Harris
• Atheism
• And many more

If you decide to give it a shot, be creative with your post and tell us which color and which topic you are writing about. If you're doing this, the key here is to steel-man rather than strawman whichever stage you select. Make the stage seem rational, plausible, truthful, and good -- because each stages sees itself that way.

And most importantly, as you type out your reply, notice how it feels to speak and think from within that particular worldview. Feel how your mind is forced to shift from your native way of seeing the world. Notice the relativity of all worldviews.

[ALPHA907]

How interesting.

[Rilles]

Stage Blue: "Sure global warming might be true, but it doesnt matter because Jesus is coming back soon, these are just the signs of it, just look at Covid-19. Book of Revelations say the planet will be struck with pestilence and war before He comes back. This world belongs to Satan and its not for us care about it, place your faith in the Lord and repent now! Amen!"

 

 

Of course they would say it in Christianese with all the buzzwords that go along with it. 

Edited November 16, 2020 by Rilles

[Leo Gura]

@Rilles And how would Red see global warming?

[Rilles]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Rilles And how would Red see global warming?

Thats a tricky one. Still thinking. 

[electroBeam]

Homosexuality is a problem because most of society's functions are built on work that requires aggression, power, both physical and emotional, order and dominance. Take for example labour work. Labour work requires physical power (a masculine trait) order to get stuff done on time (another masculine trait) and emotional rigour (willpower to get hard work done). Homosexuality confuses men at a young age so that these traits are not developed within them and therefore society's ability to source these requirements gets weaker.

Trump is good because he reinforces the patriarchy so that we can maintain healthy functioning of these aspects of society. 

New Age teachings are a problem because they muddle the water between what's good and what's bad, allowing the devil to use the grey area to infiltrate deception, lies, devilry and confuse its followers. By keeping to the bible, there are clear, black and white rules for what's good and what's bad. These rules are great because its clear and easy to see what's good and therefore follow goodness. Don't question me on why its good because that will muddle the waters and cause the above problem.

I think in this day and age racism is intolerable but we must consider that there are clearly distinctions between races and their intellect and good will. If you look at the last 2 centuries, the white race has clearly produced the best medicine, best engineering, best art compared to other races and therefore there must be a correlation between those things and race. Its important to preserve the white race so that we can preserve intelligence, medicine and art. The leftists don't understand this somehow, which is crazy because its so obvious, and they too are white. Its nuts.

Gender is clearly not a social construct. You have a penis or a vagina. This is clear evidence.

EDIT: this was meant to be blue, but I think I've muddled it up with red and orange... oh well lol. People aren't straight 1 colour anyway. 

The stage is someone who is centred around blue/orange with a bit of red. 

 

Edited November 16, 2020 by electroBeam

[Leo Gura]

@electroBeam Indicate which color stage you're posting about.

[Mr Being]

Blue or Orange stage on relativism:
"haha relativism is so stupid, because its self refuting, if relativism is true then truth is not relative and therefore relativism is false. checkmate relativists."

[Raphael]

Stage Blue: Allahu akbar!

Edited November 16, 2020 by Raphael

[Loving Radiance]

1 minute ago, Raphael said:

Stage Blue: Allahu akbar!

Topic unclear. It can be said in many contexts.

[Chi_]

Beige :- "I FUCK YOU IN MY CAVE"

[Rilles]

@Leo Gura

Stage Red "Global what? I dont know. Who says that? The government? I dont believe anything those  fakers say, suppose its true? Doesnt matter to me, I got a great life, its a dog eat dog world baby, if you live in some poor country with an ocean of trash in your backyard you probably deserve it, get a grip for fuck sake, be a man, stop blaming me for some ozone-layer something something nonsense crap."

Tony, 25, just got out of Sing Sing prison.

[Loving Radiance]

@Chi_  Literally beige's answer to all topics above

Red till turquoise, btw.

[Chi_]

Stage Red on Global Warming:- How is thinking about that going to benefit me to conquer. That is good for little girls to think about. I don't care if what I do affect the trees or the clouds, I just want to do what I want to do. Others can go fuck themselves.

[Rilles]

Stage Orange

 "New Age... Oh, man. Those people are a little... kooky arent they? I dont understand why you gotta believe in a bunch of fluffy nonsense... We already got everything pretty much figured out. Theres no way ghosts could exist, we would have found them with our scientific instruments by now, spirits just couldnt exist in physical universe, it breaks the physical laws. I think its just a bunch of wishful thinking, or maybe a brain disorder... we gotta put more rationality into the school-system, maybe that will eradicate this quackery for good."

[electroBeam]

I was gonna do green for most topics, but then I realized its me already  Although pickup I disagree with green.

Green

Pickup:

There are many problems with pickup in society. For starters its enforces the patriarchy. It assumes that men are the ones who have to ask out women, but this is not true, women have just as much of a right to ask out the man as the man does for the women. Its highly biased towards men. Where are the pickup stations showing women on how to ask out men? 2ndly pickup teaches men manipulative tactics for how to have sexual relations with women without explicit consent. This causes women to have emotional traumas, feel like their safe space has been invaded; if women can't even maintain their safe space, then how are they going to feel emotionally secure? Feel like they are objects, feel like society doesn't care about them or listen to their needs, feel like they just got exploited. Pickup is void of teaching men how to get in touch with their emotions and feel what the woman wants. Pickup is also void of teaching men safe consent. Men are taught to have sex with women without an explicit "yes" giving the man room to sneakily manipulate women into having sex without actual consent. Its rape without consequences. Women aren't listened to enough by men and the pickup community. The pickup community goes ahead and creates manipulative tactics without asking the women first on what they want. This is deeply irrational because women know what women want more then men. If these men really cared about having a good relationship with us, why don't they consult us on what we want and how they should approach? Also pickup is too masculine focused. It makes men toxic levels of aggressiveness and this leads to domestic violence. 

Edited November 16, 2020 by electroBeam

[Preety_India]

Not good at acting but trying. 

Stage Red. Let's see a couple of these. 

Trump 

He is our Savior. 

Homosexuality

That's an aberration. 

Transgender people

 Something wrong with them. They don't belong 

Gender is a social construct

Only man and woman. Marriage is only between the two. 

Trump

He is our Messiah - in-chief 

Obama

He wouldn't be president in 1930s 

Global warming

Fake news 

Abortion

Lynch the woman who wants it. 

Gun control

We need guns, more guns. Billions and billions. 

Capitalism

Monopoly is good 

Socialism

Socialists ruin everything 

Racism

You are born with your color. It makes you an inferior species. Just deal with it. If you complain you're only playing victim

Sex education

Women need to produce more kids

War

We need to dominate the entire globe to show how powerful we are 

Pickup

Don't bother, just grab them by the pussy. 

Cancel culture

What? Round them up, all those stupid SJWs and lynch them 

God

Hold my Bible 

New Age teachings

Gross

Relativism

The boogeyman 

Post-modernism

Bullshit 

Jordan Peterson

Need to simp this guy harder 

Sam Harris

Simp this guy harder than Peterson 

Atheism

Sky daddy will take care of you. You'll have a deathbed conversion. 

And many more

 

[sholomar]

I know how I react when I see an awoke progressive on reddit telling me that I should embrace allowing pre-pubescent children decide to be a different gender and encourage the process even using hormones before they reach puberty. It makes me think they are fucking nuts with screws loose in the head. Actually it doesn't... I've come far enough on accepting "what is" to allow them to have their point of view.

 

I still have my orange/blue beliefs that may or may not change. I'm not too concerned about it... aside from the amount of time I waste on politics.

Edited November 16, 2020 by sholomar

[electroBeam]

@Preety_India woooooow, are you stage red?  You couldn't have written that.

[Preety_India]

@electroBeam give me my Oscar you sjw sinner