Funny Thing I Noticed About Perception/Imagination

[Rilles]

You cant imagine a color without imagining a shape. 

Try. 

[JosephKnecht]

What would limit the imagination to imagine a shapeless color? 

If you can't do it, there must be a strong link between shapes and colors. What is that link? 

[Rilles]

2 minutes ago, Mikael89 said:

I can imagine the whole visual field showing a color, and that's not a shape.

And it's also doable in practice. Take a flashlight, shine it through something colored, close your eyes, shine it at your eyes from close distance.

The visual field is a shape. 

[Rilles]

Just now, Mikael89 said:

No it's not.

Is your visual field finite?

[Rilles]

Just now, Mikael89 said:

What shape is it? A circle? No. A square? No. If it's a shape, how come you can't name the shape?

Can you even draw the shape for me? No.

Therefore it's not a shape.

I cant draw it here but the visual field has a limit. You cant see 360. So you can imagine a color but it will be limited by your visual field. The visual field has a circular quality. 

Its good that you take my question seriously but I would advise you not to be so hasty. Think about it first. 

[Rilles]

15 minutes ago, JosephKnecht said:

What would limit the imagination to imagine a shapeless color? 

If you can't do it, there must be a strong link between shapes and colors. What is that link? 

Dont know. Something to contemplate.  

[Rilles]

13 minutes ago, Ibgdrgnxxv said:

What is shape? Isn't everything a shape? 

Are feelings a shape? Is the phenomen of sound a shape?

Edited November 14, 2020 by Rilles

[Rilles]

2 minutes ago, Ibgdrgnxxv said:

No. You are comparing vision. Colour and shape are visions. 

Okay I misunderstood you, You mean everything in vision. 

Yes. Everything in the visual field is color and shape. 

Edited November 14, 2020 by Rilles

[Member]

Hah, I tried to imagine a random color and it was either a rectangle or square.

[Gesundheit]

You can't imagine a shape without a color.

[Rilles]

1 minute ago, Member said:

Hah, I tried to imagine a random color and it was either a rectangle or square.

Haha for me it becomes a triangle. 

Just now, Gesundheit said:

You can't imagine a shape without a color.

A shape needs a limit and the limit needs a color. Haha this is fun. 

[Member]

Just now, Rilles said:

Haha for me it becomes a triangle. 

A shape needs a limit and the limit needs a color. Haha this is fun. 

Or a sphere. Interesting insight ?

[Rilles]

9 minutes ago, Mikael89 said:

You guys are weird. It took me one second to imagine a color without shape. (Whole visual field.)

This isn't related to this topic at all but: kill me.

Were not trying to 1-up eachother. Its just an interesting phenonema I wanted to share. Its an open-ended investigation of perception. If you think youve reached some conclusion then good for you. Youll get an Actualized gold-star from Leo in your mailbox next week.

[Rilles]

1 minute ago, Mikael89 said:

This forum is about Truth. So we should correct each other, and that way help each other find Truth.

In my direct experience what you said is not true. So I'm keeping up the investigation.

[Gesundheit]

21 minutes ago, Rilles said:

A shape needs a limit and the limit needs a color.

The difference between shape and color: color is infinite, shape is finite. One is inherent in reality, and the other is made-up by the mind.

Haha. That's some really good stuff.

[Rilles]

1 minute ago, Mikael89 said:

Well that's unfortunate.

You said the visual field is kind of infinite. What kind of truth is that.

[Rilles]

7 minutes ago, Mikael89 said:

Because you can't see the edges.

We can assume the visual field ends since we cant see literally everything.

[4201]

1 hour ago, Rilles said:

You cant imagine a color without imagining a shape. 

Try. 

You are introducing the question with an arbitrary limitation you just created and confirming this idea by imagining no color without a shape.

Ask a random person to think of blue for a few seconds. Then when they are done ask them which shape their blue was.

[4201]

Just now, Ibgdrgnxxv said:

@4201 I think of an ocean

 

You are not random though, you also are a believer of the no color without a shape cult of this thread 

Some people may be more creative though. Ask a boring logical person I guess

[Rilles]

5 minutes ago, 4201 said:

You are not random though, you also are a believer of the no color without a shape cult of this thread

I didnt know a thread could be a cult. I dont believe in anything. Im investigating right now. I like to investigate until I find a conclusion, right now I cant think of a color that isnt limited by a shape. 

Perhaps my way of introducing the topic wasnt the best. I will think of that in the future.

"Can you think of a color without thinking of a shape?" Would be better. 

Edited November 14, 2020 by Rilles