Vaush on David Pakman Show

[fortifyacacia3]

 

[whatishappeningtome]

Loved this show. I appreciate Vaush, but I still think moving towards a social democracy rather than full on socialism is more practical and has been shown to actually work. 

[Opo]

1 minute ago, whatishappeningtome said:

Loved this show. I appreciate Vaush, but I still think moving towards a social democracy rather than full on socialism is more practical and has been shown to actually work. 

Of course. 

[Claymoree]

He is talking bullshit in first 2 minutes, socialism and fascism both make it difficult to make points across, only difference is how they silence people, but idk why he choses modern USA as example of fascism.

I do not even want to listen further as Vaush is overrated idiot. 

Edited November 14, 2020 by Claymoree

[Opo]

3 minutes ago, Claymoree said:

but idk why he choses modern USA as example of fascism.

He doesn't. 

He implies that it can go in that direction under Trump. 

It's amazing how you imagine something just to dismiss someone. 

[Claymoree]

Just now, Opo said:

He doesn't. 

He implies that it can go in that direction under Trump. 

It's amazing how you imagine something just to dismiss someone. 

Good that you picked my words so carefully to make them seem believable, it has nothing to do with my first part of reply , or my point. 

[Opo]

9 minutes ago, Claymoree said:

 it has nothing to do with my first part of reply , or my point. 

About the first point. 

You have authoritarian socialists and libertarian socialists. 

What you are talking about are the first kind he is the second kind. 

Here is an example of both types if you want to understand it deeper. 

 

 

[Claymoree]

24 minutes ago, Opo said:

About the first point. 

You have authoritarian socialists and libertarian socialists. 

What you are talking about are the first kind he is the second kind. 

Here is an example of both types if you want to understand it deeper. 

 

 

Those are just ideas, it is like people imagining how anarchist society would work , but they never work like that in real life, just like democracy is far from what it is meant to be. 

Anyway  I have heard enough of him , sorry guy is just to low development for me, in terms of whole development of society, he might seem like higher stage to lower stages, but he lacks understanding of values of lowers stages that get implemented in higher stages. 

 

 

Edited November 14, 2020 by Claymoree

[Opo]

21 minutes ago, Claymoree said:

Anyway  I have heard enough of him , sorry guy is just to low development for me, in terms of whole development of society, he might seem like higher stage to lower stages, but he lacks understanding of values of lowers stages that get implemented in higher stages. 

If you feel better when you tell yourself this who are we to tell you how wrong you are. 

[Claymoree]

34 minutes ago, Opo said:

If you feel better when you tell yourself this who are we to tell you how wrong you are. 

Difference is I can tell where you are wrong.

[Peter-Andre]

2 hours ago, Claymoree said:

He is talking bullshit in first 2 minutes, socialism and fascism both make it difficult to make points across, only difference is how they silence people, but idk why he choses modern USA as example of fascism.

@Claymoree What is your definition of socialism and why do you think it's so similar to fascism?

[Leo Gura]

Good interview

[Akemrelax]

Thanks for sharing.

[Claymoree]

2 minutes ago, Peter-Andre said:

@Claymoree What is your definition of socialism and why do you think it's so similar to fascism?

Socialism is new age communism, that is about it.

They are just as similar as any governmental, social structure that pushes their values and suppress everything that does not align with them, have strict value systems and do not accept anything out of them, suppressing  them with laws , social exclusion with different methods depending on system.

There is no point to argue terms really , if we take looks at terms and how they can manifest it is clear that only basic structure stays the same, but whole system can be very different.

 

 

 

 

 

[Carl-Richard]

3 hours ago, Claymoree said:

Anyway  I have heard enough of him , sorry guy is just to low development for me, in terms of whole development of society, he might seem like higher stage to lower stages, but he lacks understanding of values of lowers stages that get implemented in higher stages.

Who do you personally think embodies those higher stages? Any examples?

[Peter-Andre]

1 hour ago, Claymoree said:

Socialism is new age communism, that is about it.

They are just as similar as any governmental, social structure that pushes their values and suppress everything that does not align with them, have strict value systems and do not accept anything out of them, suppressing  them with laws , social exclusion with different methods depending on system.

There is no point to argue terms really , if we take looks at terms and how they can manifest it is clear that only basic structure stays the same, but whole system can be very different.

@Claymoree Do you really believe that is the ideology that socialists like Vaush are advocating for? I suggest you read a little bit more about what socialism is because your understanding of what it is is is way off right now.

[AtheisticNonduality]

@Claymoree Maybe you have some Green shadow?

[lmfao]

12 hours ago, Opo said:

He doesn't. 

He implies that it can go in that direction under Trump.  

I love vaush. That said, he seems to call everything right of Obama to be fascistic. "Fascist" is his replacement word for all of stage blue.

And that's pretty dumb, you can call all religious folk fascists with the logic. The label becomes watered down and kinda meaningless. 

Edited November 14, 2020 by lmfao

[Danioover9000]

@Leo Gura

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Good interview

   Would you mind elaborating on why this is a good interview?

[Heart of Space]

55 minutes ago, lmfao said:

I love vaush. That said, he seems to call everything right of Obama to be fascistic. "Fascist" is his replacement word for all of stage blue.

And that's pretty dumb, you can call all religious folk fascists with the logic. The label becomes watered down and kinda meaningless. 

I agree with this so hard.  Vaush is a smart guy, but cot dam does he overuse the word "fascist."  He also calls people nazi's and racists way too much.  He constantly refers to Republicans as being part of a death cult.

All that and then he turns around and acts as if his channel is there to convince people to change their view to his.  Bro, you can't constantly use all those labels and expect people to be willing to listen to you.  

In that sense he's a doofus, but I still like his content.