Self awareness

[Mvrs]

When duality collapses are you still aware? Or your not aware of it till after it’s over. 

[VeganAwake]

21 hours ago, Mvrs said:

When duality collapses are you still aware? Or your not aware of it till after it’s over. 

Duality collapses with the recognition there never was a "you" or "another".

So in a sense it doesn't even collapse, it's recognized as having never been.

And then it's just Everything happening for No One.

or

Freedom/Paradise/Enlightenment

Liberation/Nirvana

❤

Edited November 13, 2020 by VeganAwake

[Mvrs]

9 hours ago, Tim Ho said:

@Mvrs

When duality collapses you and your awareness will become You and Aware, a higher form of being and awareness.  It is like waking up from many years of sleeping.

When it is done,  you can still remember some the thoughts and feelings from that profound experience.

See but does that mean when I had my satori and realized I don’t exist and that I’m the whole thing not just me that was duality collapsing? This doesn’t seem right in my mind. I realize there is no duality so idk how it would collapse but 5meo reports seem crazy asf and not like what your saying 

[The0Self]

Event 1 / glimpse / awakening: Emptiness is seen to be all there is, subject and object are the same emptiness, and the apparent subject stops being assumed to exist. When it's recognized there is only emptiness, there's nothing to put down because there's nobody holding anything. This can appear to be caused.

Event 2 / liberation: Emptiness is seen by no one to be so empty that it's empty even of itself, emptiness, and is thus full. That fullness, or unconditional love, is all there is, and at this point it's over for the individual because it's seen that it was never there; there was only ever fullness. This is utterly uncaused.

Edited November 14, 2020 by The0Self

[Mvrs]

2 hours ago, Tim Ho said:

Yes @Mvrs, you are right and that is exactly what I'm talking about.  There are 2 level of awakening.  The first one is to escape the ego, like getting to the top of the mountains, LSD can get you there.  But once you have enough of awakening, and climb enough mountains, you will start to get to the Cloud which is the next level.  That is when 5meo is needed, or a lot of experiences with meditation. I'm lucky to have a small glim of 2nd level, a few times.   

On the 2nd level, you are actually GOD.  That is BEING is what I talked about.  You are actually GOD, not a reasoning, metaphor, or an illusion

 

 

Hopefully it’ll show it’s head soon. Every other thing that I needed found me on its own. Norm psychs stopped working for me, how do you gain an insight you already live with everyday? (This is why it stopped working) I’ve had multiple glimpses and now I love constantly with that info just not to a level where I can’t function like in the moment.