Who We Really Are And The Body

[laurastarla]

I got stung by a bee and it really got me thinking about the body. I get that what I really am is the awareness of this pain in this body, NOT the body. But yet I can't see how the body can have nothing to do with who 'I' really am, when what happens to it can have such a huge effect on what I am aware of. I don't think it is ALL of what I am, but there seems to be a big connection between the body (not me) and this awareness of the body (the truth of me). I can't see how they are totally separate.

We use it for meditation, so isn't it a real part of us, like our doorway into our connection with everything? Are we meditating on a fiction?

We are all one, one body one mind one thought. But no one else is experiencing this bee sting but 'me'. And if all is one, doesn't that make our thoughts, feelings, and bodies the same as the awareness of those things? 

When we are having sex everything is taken up by what is happening to the body, everything is like, lost in it, or our awareness seems to unify with it. During an orgasm what the heck is happening to our awareness? How can the body be so little to who I am? What am I missing? I've been meditating hard core for 7 months so I've had these experiences of not being my body, and in self inquiry I can see how I am NOT the body and get in touch with what it is we are all trying to touch, but yet these kinds of experiences of physical pain and sex call out a serious relevance to the body. 

Let's say we are not our bodies, but it plays an enormous role on our path to 'us'. What is this relationship? What is the body then?

Is this one of those paradoxes that I need to get comfortable with? Is the body real, AND not real? Am I the body AND not the body? Do I have this separate body AND everyone is one body?

i think this is pointing to something else - I struggle with how to be in this world and not be IN it at the same time. Live the daily life with all the people believing these things we on this forum are learning how to unbelieve, and be unaffected by it.

[Dodo]

The body is! We should not reject our vehicle, it helps us a lot to live in the so called Matrix. We need to be gentle and kind to our bodies and mind. It is all we have in this dimension... And it's a beautiful gem. We gotta appreciate what mother nature gave us. I mean even if you're not the car, you should still take care of the car, because you don't know how to get out of it at the very least. 

[WelcometoReality]

@laurastarla If you chop of a hand  has it changed what you really are? A leg? The torso? Continue to mentally chop of body parts to see where "you" are.

[Dodo]

29 minutes ago, WelcometoReality said:

@laurastarla If you chop of a hand  has it changed what you really are? A leg? The torso? Continue to mentally chop of body parts to see where "you" are.

if u chop my hand it will change who I am, because my current form will die. BB()()()()M DEFEATED. And if I am beyond the form, well thats just deep. And we can always go deeper. And we can always be more ourselves. Now, as the deep human being that we are.

 

Edited September 3, 2016 by Dodoster

[The]

29 minutes ago, WelcometoReality said:

If you chop of a hand  has it changed what you really are? A leg? The torso? Continue to mentally chop of body parts to see where "you" are.

That's what Sadhguru said

[WelcometoReality]

@Mikey I think I heard it from another guru. Never listened much to Sadghuru. ?

[WelcometoReality]

15 minutes ago, Dodoster said:

if u chop my hand it will change who I am, because my current form will die. BB()()()()M DEFEATED. And if I am beyond the form, well thats just deep. And we can always go deeper. And we can always be more ourselves. Now, as the deep human being that we are.

 

But are you really the form or are you the formless? ?

[Dodo]

2 minutes ago, WelcometoReality said:

But are you really the form or are you the formless? ?

Only the form can be, the formless is formless for a reason. It Does Not Be  Im not saying it doesnt exist or that I am not it. But I am this now. No need to complicate it right? Play out the role. Until death do us part 

Edited September 3, 2016 by Dodoster

[WelcometoReality]

1 minute ago, Dodoster said:

Only the form can be, the formless is formless for a reason. It Does Not Be

Twisting words you are. ☺

[Dodo]

3 minutes ago, WelcometoReality said:

Twisting words you are. ☺

No I know, it's that left brain thinking.. The right brain is afraid of. But we gotta use both equally or not and dont care about shit either way  We are not the centre of the universe. The whole painting is, we are just as important as a tree is. If not less important  But it doesn't matter, because we do not want to be important, at least I do not. it would be a burden to be important. 

Edited September 3, 2016 by Dodoster

[WelcometoReality]

5 minutes ago, Dodoster said:

Only the form can be, the formless is formless for a reason. It Does Not Be  Im not saying it doesnt exist or that I am not it. But I am this now. No need to complicate it right? Play out the role. Until death do us part 

twisting words you are. ☺

You are not that. It is just an illusion. 

[Dodo]

4 minutes ago, WelcometoReality said:

twisting words you are. ☺

You are not that. It is just an illusion. 

If you believe the illusion, it's real, and I like it being real. Because I'm not scared of it being real. I might be in the future, but not just yet.

Like when I feel so good in my body, and i enjoy the present moment so much, I have to appreciate the gift i was given. All it took was to become vegetarian, do some yoga, meditate and breathe deep. Immense peace and enjoyment arrive. I don't even need to know who I am, because life becomes one giant "orgasm"  I don't need to look for the formless self. I mean you are saying I am it, so why do I need to look for myself. I am myself already.

But wait, it's a legit question: Do I need to look for myself. Is it like the purpose of my life? Maybe it is. Maybe I should not revel in being ignorant and start searching even more?

Edited September 3, 2016 by Dodoster

[WelcometoReality]

14 minutes ago, Dodoster said:

If you believe the illusion, it's real, and I like it being real. Because I'm not scared of it being real. I might be in the future, but not just yet.

Yes illusion is a part of the truth. No shame in believing in it. ☺

The purpose of life? Nothing or anything

Edited September 3, 2016 by WelcometoReality

[Dodo]

1 minute ago, WelcometoReality said:

Yes illusion is a part of the truth. No shame in believing in it. ☺

Also not a shame not believing in it, even tho you were sent here to believe it!  Maybe Maybe, I don't know!

[WelcometoReality]

2 minutes ago, Dodoster said:

Also not a shame not believing in it, even tho you were sent here to believe it!  Maybe Maybe, I don't know!

Illusion is a natural part of human development. So yes. ☺

[Dodo]

4 minutes ago, WelcometoReality said:

Illusion is a natural part of human development. So yes. ☺

I will have all the time in the world to be an infinite god being, I have only now to be this amazing gem of an "illusion".

[WelcometoReality]

9 minutes ago, Dodoster said:

I will have all the time in the world to be an infinite god being, I have only now to be this amazing gem of an "illusion".

Actually, when you are an infinite god being there will be no time and only now will exist. It is only in illusion where all time exists. ☺

[Dodo]

2 minutes ago, WelcometoReality said:

Actually, when you are an infinite god being there will be no time and only now will exist. It is only in illusion where all time exists. ☺

Yeah, Yeah, I know. I have had countless hours talking to my girlfriend of how time is an illusion and all there is is change. But sometimes I mean time in a different sence. Like in a sence that when you are in the illusion and you use the illusion to write on a forum, you gotta respect the illusion and all of it's properties, like the man-made property time. In other words, not talking about ultimate truth here, but about a figure of speech, about art if you will. All the time in the world means no time, because it doesn't exist. So be it. I can then say either of the two and be right.

Edited September 3, 2016 by Dodoster

[Neo]

The trouble for me is, I read this thread but I cannot see who has the wisdom, I have no guru. So I'm sorry guys, I'm more confused. Normally I have things 180 degrees wrong, then I know I'm listening to truth.