Perception episode

[Mvrs]

@Leo Gura when you say you are taken out of the picture, will you only realize this happened after you come back? 
 

I understand that experience is the happening no ones watching. But what is the actually ego experience like when this happens. 

Edited November 11, 2020 by Mvrs

[Osaid]

There is no "you" in any of this. Perception perceives itself. That's it. 

There is never any real ego experience. Ego is just an illusion, it's not real. 

What happens to the ego? It disappears because it is realized that it doesn't exist

Edited November 12, 2020 by Osaid

[Claymoree]

1 hour ago, Osaid said:

There is no "you" in any of this. Perception perceives itself. That's it. 

There is never any real ego experience. Ego is just an illusion, it's not real. 

What happens to the ego? It disappears because it is realized that it doesn't exist

what dos exist?

[Osaid]

34 minutes ago, Claymoree said:

what does exist?

perception = existence

[Claymoree]

15 minutes ago, Osaid said:

perception = existence

Don't you perceive identification, I am just trying to understand what makes ego not exist and makes other things exist, or what makes other things real and ego not real.

Edited November 12, 2020 by Claymoree

[Osaid]

1 minute ago, Claymoree said:

Don't you perceive identification,

You perceive the illusion of having an ego, not an actual ego which exists in reality. The ego is just an illusion which is perceived and mistaken for reality. 

It's like when a kid thinks Santa Clause is real. Santa Clause only exists as a thought, but the kid doesn't know that and mistakes it for something that is actual.

Or, if you perceive a mirage in a desert, the mirage only exists as an illusion. If it wasn't an illusion, it wouldn't be a mirage. Same goes for ego.

[Claymoree]

7 minutes ago, Osaid said:

You perceive the illusion of having an ego, not an actual ego which exists in reality. The ego is just an illusion which is perceived and mistaken for reality. 

It's like when a kid thinks Santa Clause is real. Santa Clause only exists as a thought, but the kid doesn't know that and mistakes it for something that is actual.

Or, if you perceive a mirage in a desert, the mirage only exists as an illusion. If it wasn't an illusion, it wouldn't be a mirage. Same goes for ego.

So what is real? Ego does not fade away, you are just no longer identified with it, just like with anything in your lens of perception. 

[Osaid]

33 minutes ago, Claymoree said:

Ego does not fade away, you are just no longer identified with it

It does fade away, because you realize it never existed in the first place. It's a recontextualization. 

It's like when you walk up to the mirage in the desert and see it vanish. Now, you realize that the water you previously thought to exist was in essence just light-rays bouncing into your eyes, not actual water.

Similarly, when you realize the ego doesn't actually exist, you see that it was in essence just a thought inside your head, not an actual ego which exists in reality.

 

 

 

 

[Claymoree]

2 hours ago, Osaid said:

It does fade away, because you realize it never existed in the first place. It's a recontextualization. 

It's like when you walk up to the mirage in the desert and see it vanish. Now, you realize that the water you previously thought to exist was in essence just light-rays bouncing into your eyes, not actual water.

Similarly, when you realize the ego doesn't actually exist, you see that it was in essence just a thought inside your head, not an actual ego which exists in reality.

 

 

 

 

K, but how do you know which one of them is mirage, as both seem like mirage from one pov. 

 

Edited November 12, 2020 by Claymoree

[Osaid]

22 minutes ago, Claymoree said:

K, but how do you know which one of them is mirage, as both seem like mirage from one pov. 

I don't understand the question

[Dazgwny]

This may help you with your ego questions. A very good depiction of the ego structure. Simple yet detailed at the same time

 

[Mvrs]

11 hours ago, Osaid said:

I don't understand the question

Yeah your confusing me bro I’ve had ego death and realized the ego was never real but I was still an I behind the ego just an I that was nobody’