What is the core problem we have in self-enquiry?

[AminB501]

A very interesting question came upon me today while doing awareness of the present moment. So what is the problem we have as human beings and we meditate for to awaken. Is that we can't get to being/emptiness/pure consciousness or that we don't know what that thing is?

[Breakingthewall]

I had the same thought meditating half an hour ago. I think there are many...like anchors, that anchor me to the ego world. Like if I stop thinking I'm going to get lost , and thinking the mind do like a control of the situation, all time creating like an artificial environment with all the memories, the ideas, etc. It exist like a hard resistance to let those anchors go

[Rilles]

16 minutes ago, AminB501 said:

A very interesting question came upon me today while doing awareness of the present moment. So what is the problem we have as human beings and we meditate for to awaken. Is that we can't get to being/emptiness/pure consciousness or that we don't know what that thing is?

That we look for something tangible not realizing that the looker itself is not tangible. The hand cant grab itself, the knife cant cut itself. 

[Moksha]

The core problem is identifying with the conditioned mind. When you realize that you are not your thoughts, there is suddenly spaciousness. You experience being the observer of your thoughts. It's like jailbreaking out of your conditioned mind, and directly realizing the Consciousness that you are.

[AminB501]

@Moksha @Tim Ho  @Rilles @Breakingthewall But what you're doing as a meditator and someone who wants to awaken? are you meditating to being "being" or to know what "being" is? I see this as different sort of goals, because it's like if you want to be "being" you get more distracted, but when you're "being" It's literally to empty. So how does awakenings come? are they the result of seing the world through through it?

Let's say I want to know what is pure being, why do it not know that? Is because i haven't been pure being or I haven't been pure being enough?

I don't know if i make sense here.

Edited November 10, 2020 by AminB501

[Moksha]

The ancient gurus used meditation as a paring knife. They peeled away each layer of their personality that was impermanent, turn by turn, until the only thing left was the solid core of Consciousness.

Don't chase after "being". It will elude you, because it can't be caught. It is already there, deep inside of you, waiting to be released. When the time is right, you will be flooded with it.

If you can create spaciousness in yourself by pulling back from your thoughts and simply observing them, that will be a good first step.

[The0Self]

5 hours ago, AminB501 said:

A very interesting question came upon me today while doing awareness of the present moment. So what is the problem we have as human beings and we meditate for to awaken. Is that we can't get to being/emptiness/pure consciousness or that we don't know what that thing is?

Being separate from your idea of "all of reality" is inherently unsatisfactory. There's always something that seems "needed." This unsatisfactoriness is both the problem and also the point of existence. There can be no existence without this apparent separation. Existence isn't real. Or unreal. You think you know things, but can't, because there's no separate self that could know something other than itself -- thus, there is just infinity; emptiness; love.

[snowyowl]

6 hours ago, AminB501 said:

we can't get to being/emptiness/pure consciousness or that we don't know what that thing is?

 

49 minutes ago, AminB501 said:

Let's say I want to know what is pure being, why do it not know that? Is because i haven't been pure being or I haven't been pure being enough?

You see it's hard to talk about this without those sneaky pronouns, "I", "we" popping up as if they are the knower, experiencer or observer of pure being. But if being includes everything, then you can't get outside it to "know" it. You have to see it from within, be part of it. Be the being as you say. Actually that's what we always have been, but for the illusion we are separate. 

This says it well: 

5 hours ago, Rilles said:

That we look for something tangible not realizing that the looker itself is not tangible. The hand cant grab itself, the knife cant cut itself. 

 

Edited November 10, 2020 by snowyowl

[Breakingthewall]

45 minutes ago, AminB501 said:

So how does awakenings come? are they the result of seing the world through through it?

I follow the opposite way, first the awakenings, or realization, idk how to define, induced by psychedelic, and after that I realized about the importance of meditation, to try to be concious not only a single moment

[VeganAwake]

"The Greatest Obstacle to Discovery Is Not Ignorance—It Is the Illusion of Knowledge"   - Daniel J. Boorstin

The biggest issue is thinking "you" understand and know what is being looked for. The very idea of what you're looking for hides it.(hence the importance of emptying the glass)

Enlightenment is not a gaining, attainment or achievement. It's not something you arrive at one day with enough diligent spiritual practice, it's the crumbling away of untruth and the disentangling from the socially conditioned Mind Matrix experienced as the "sense of self".

Edited November 10, 2020 by VeganAwake