Trump has a good side!

[Danioover9000]

@louhad

On 11/10/2020 at 1:43 AM, louhad said:

@Preety_India My man is wrong for judging green, so don't get me wrong...

 

Just be aware of who you judge and who you hate. That is your shadow. 

   Just for my selfish benefit, could you tell me which parts of stage green am I being judgmental about?

[Danioover9000]

@Raphael

On 11/10/2020 at 0:56 PM, Raphael said:

@Ananta Why do you support Trump?

   Should there be shame on being on the right? I'm conservative, should I think and feel depressed for being a conservative?

@Ananta You might be right in taking a break, even from the forum entirely. If I'm not mistaken, you were a mod before? What happened to your mod statues?

[Danioover9000]

@Mikael89

14 minutes ago, Mikael89 said:

@Danioover9000 You're talking bullshit. You're basically saying that everything which Preety_India thinks is bad about Trump is because of her. You think everything about trump which she thinks is bad is her own shadow, and negative traits about men who she has pasted on Trump.

And also: "The negative traits in men you don't like, are shadow self qualities, are theses for example: 'horrible, undemocratic, narcissistic, dangerously careless and self serving', which I suggest is good areas to do shadow work on yourself."

"It's a common collective shadow that traditionally raised women in India have in themselves, raised in a stage blue environment that's religious and traditional, that's more male dominated. In such an environment, it's easy for women to be jealous of the power gap experienced in terms of traditional gender roles of men and women."

Unbelievable.

Thinking about reporting your post.

   Got another explanation for her frequent vocal demonization of Trump?

[Danioover9000]

@Mikael89

21 minutes ago, Mikael89 said:

@Danioover9000 You're talking bullshit. You're basically saying that everything which Preety_India thinks is bad about Trump is because of her. You think everything about trump which she thinks is bad is her own shadow, and negative traits about men who she has pasted on Trump.

And also: "No, you hate Donald Trump because of a suppressed shadow self that has qualities to Trump's, not to mention negative traits in men you've pasted onto Trump, and any related traumas from men you've pasted onto Trump. It's a common collective shadow that traditionally raised women in India have in themselves, raised in a stage blue environment that's religious and traditional, that's more male dominated. In such an environment, it's easy for women to be jealous of the power gap experienced in terms of traditional gender roles of men and women.  The negative traits in men you don't like, are shadow self qualities, are theses for example: 'horrible, undemocratic, narcissistic, dangerously careless and self serving', which I suggest is good areas to do shadow work on yourself."

 

Unbelievable.

Thinking about reporting your post. 

Edit: reported.

   I don't see any reason why you should involve yourself into this. This exchange is between me and pretty here, so I don't see how you'd get any benefit from doing this. You're quoting my analysis of her shadow and treat it as some attack onto you. That's incorrect.

   Reported as well, so we'll see a peaceful resolution to this unreasonable situation.

[Ananta]

37 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Ananta You might be right in taking a break, even from the forum entirely. If I'm not mistaken, you were a mod before? What happened to your mod statues?

I just got tired of being a mod. I'm a manager at work then would mod here after work. It just got to be too much. So, I asked  Leo to un-mod me. I'm much happier now. I read what I want and say what I want. Trolls aren't my concern any longer.

 

[Danioover9000]

@Ananta

3 minutes ago, Ananta said:

I just got tired of being a mod. I'm a manager at work then would mod here after work. It just got to be too much. So, I asked  Leo to un-mod me. I'm much happier now. I read what I want and say what I want. Trolls aren't my concern any longer.

 

   Oh I see, good to know you're much happier. Mod after work sounds tough.

[Ananta]

7 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

Oh I see, good to know you're much happier.

Thank you ? 

 

 

[Preety_India]

@Danioover9000  what? 

You have to make everything all about me. That's why I avoid you on the forum. But you don't avoid me. See? 

You have a strong bias against me maybe because I'm from India.. No idea about that though but not my bother. 

Leo criticizes Trump heavily on the forum. Why don't you call out Leo and say he has a shadow too? Because he is Leo right?? 

A person doesn't need to have a shadow in order to criticize someone for their bad actions or words. 

Yes I criticize Trump and I have every right to do so.. You don't know shit about me. I have already lived in America.. My ex boyfriend lives there.y current boyfriend is also American. My whole family lives in America. My mom is constantly traveling every few month to America to meet my family. My entire family lives in America except for my mom. 

I myself frequently visit America and will have to do so for the rest of my life because most of my family is there and 1 member is in India. My family are permanent citizens of America. So yes whatever happens in America directly impacts my family and me. In fact any rules made by the American administration will directly impact how my whole family lives 

I have also worked in America and had a relationship there and not to mention my friends and relatives who live there apart from my family 

Now America is a second home to me and so it is to millions and millions of immigrant families who are lives are shared across the border 

This is not just my situation alone. Most of my friends also have their families in America. This has become a common scenario for many Indian families. 

And we focus on American  politics deeply because it directly impacts our lives.. 

Okay!!!!!!!?? 

Now coming to the shadow part. 

I am not pasting anything on Trump. I only criticize him. Yes it can be harsh but negative criticism is always harsh 

Whatever I've said about Trump, Trump has already proved it himself. 

You're right that I come from a male dominated society in India where the local government does not act democratic at all. So there is every reason for me to believe that something similar can happen in the US with Trump and his authoritarianism. Now this has got nothing to do with Trump being male, as you're trying to make it out to be. Like a male female issue.. I would have cricitized Trump the exact same way even if he were a woman. That has nothing to do with my culture. 

What I'm against is authoritarianism because I have witnessed what authoritarianism has done in my country where people are bribed to get votes and very bad ruthless politicians are brought into power. 

 

horrible, undemocratic, narcissistic, dangerously careless and self serving', which I suggest is good areas to do shadow work on yourself. 

Like what dude??? 

These are not shadow areas. I have no repressed undemocratic values in me. At this point I can't tell if you are joking. 

Trump is careless and a narcissist? This is not me saying it alone. The whole world is saying this. Yes he is self serving. He doesn't even care about the constitution. He wants to be the president even if he lost both in terms of popular vote and electoral vote. That's how self serving he is. 

I don't need to do any shadow work for just expressing my opinions on an undemocratic leader.

Even Leo said that the situation is dangerous now if he doesn't leave 

Maybe it will benefit you if you stop posting your hate and bias against me and focus on yourself. 

Now please don't quote me again because I don't like to waste my time dealing with people who disagree with me. 

If you disagree with me Fine, but don't waste my time engaging me in a debate. I'm come here to learn, grow and express my thoughts and opinions, not to debate and argue with people who disagree with me

Keep your disagreements to yourself and learn to be tolerant of others opinions on a public forum. And don't waste my time. 

And yes, I'm having an opinion on Trump or politics. Not on you. I am not making any personal comments on you so it shouldn't be your worry whatever I say about Trump. 

 

Edited November 11, 2020 by Preety_India

[lmfao]

@JayySur The Donald indeed has some good people skills. He's amassed a following and a crowd. 

Donald talking in regular conversation is a likeable talking salesman. They butter you up a bit, feed your ego a bit of reinforcement. It's a way of saying "hey, you're like my tribe or family" and building a bond. A very simple thing that is apart of socialising

Everyone does that buttering people up and reinforcing people's self esteem to them as well, but not in the same way that Donald does it necessarily.

Because with some people like Donald, their flattery can be over the top. It's overcompensating, those people can be the snakiest. 

[Preety_India]

1 minute ago, lmfao said:

Because with some people like Donald, their flattery can be over the top. It's overcompensating, those people can be the snakiest. 

This is so true. Something that people should always watch out for. 

[lmfao]

@Preety_India I don't know how it was for you in India but my cousins in Pakistan were exactly like this with over the top flattery and compliments lmao 

Edited November 12, 2020 by lmfao

[Preety_India]

@lmfao yes absolutely. Here I've seen if I walk into a store and the salesman keeps praising the product and if it appears over the top, it's usually because the product is bad and nobody wants it. So they try to market it as the best product. Same with people. I've noticed that when someone praises me excessively or a super friendly person, later I find out that they are backstabbing me or they were absolutely fake and they did everything with an agenda. So much that if someone in my neighborhood praises me now, I try to avoid that person next time. 

I remember my manager or boss at my first job throwing a big party for my work performance. I was thrilled. I thought he was a wonderful person. 3 months later the police were looking for him because he had scammed many people of their investments. 

My second and third ex boyfriends used to praise me excessively. Like almost everyday. Within a year I saw  their abusive behavior and I broke up with them. 

Now if a guy excessively praised me that would be an instant red flag. 

What I found from my observations is that people who engage in such behaviors are very selfish and they do this because they're looking for something in return. They want that person to praise them back. It's not coming from a place of sincerity. Sincere people don't like to praise so much. 

We call it buttering up. People who do this, it's either out of fear or out of the need to please in order to get some benefit in return like keeping a person in a relationship. 

The best people in my life were those that were very objective, honest, upfront, and to the point. Such people don't manipulate, they say  what they feel, they were the most sincere people and they never hurt me. They don't do all this complimenting nonsense. They are just themselves and they don't try to butter up. Just plain and simple and they speak logic, facts and truth and don't try to emotionally manipulate or emotionally blackmail. These are the best people. They are always polite but they don't show extra affection or excessive praising or flattery. 

 

Edited November 12, 2020 by Preety_India

[Raphael]

5 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

 

Should there be shame on being on the right? I'm conservative, should I think and feel depressed for being a conservative?

It was a genuine question, not an intent to put someone down or shame someone. Of course I already have my own opinion, but I wanted to get more perspectives to see if I missed something and to get a more complete overview.

[Danioover9000]

@Preety_India

18 hours ago, Preety_India said:

@Danioover9000  what? 

You have to make everything all about me. That's why I avoid you on the forum. But you don't avoid me. See? 

You have a strong bias against me maybe because I'm from India.. No idea about that though but not my bother. 

Leo criticizes Trump heavily on the forum. Why don't you call out Leo and say he has a shadow too? Because he is Leo right?? 

A person doesn't need to have a shadow in order to criticize someone for their bad actions or words. 

Yes I criticize Trump and I have every right to do so.. You don't know shit about me. I have already lived in America.. My ex boyfriend lives there.y current boyfriend is also American. My whole family lives in America. My mom is constantly traveling every few month to America to meet my family. My entire family lives in America except for my mom. 

I myself frequently visit America and will have to do so for the rest of my life because most of my family is there and 1 member is in India. My family are permanent citizens of America. So yes whatever happens in America directly impacts my family and me. In fact any rules made by the American administration will directly impact how my whole family lives 

I have also worked in America and had a relationship there and not to mention my friends and relatives who live there apart from my family 

Now America is a second home to me and so it is to millions and millions of immigrant families who are lives are shared across the border 

This is not just my situation alone. Most of my friends also have their families in America. This has become a common scenario for many Indian families. 

And we focus on American  politics deeply because it directly impacts our lives.. 

Okay!!!!!!!?? 

Now coming to the shadow part. 

I am not pasting anything on Trump. I only criticize him. Yes it can be harsh but negative criticism is always harsh 

Whatever I've said about Trump, Trump has already proved it himself. 

You're right that I come from a male dominated society in India where the local government does not act democratic at all. So there is every reason for me to believe that something similar can happen in the US with Trump and his authoritarianism. Now this has got nothing to do with Trump being male, as you're trying to make it out to be. Like a male female issue.. I would have cricitized Trump the exact same way even if he were a woman. That has nothing to do with my culture. 

What I'm against is authoritarianism because I have witnessed what authoritarianism has done in my country where people are bribed to get votes and very bad ruthless politicians are brought into power. 

 

horrible, undemocratic, narcissistic, dangerously careless and self serving', which I suggest is good areas to do shadow work on yourself. 

Like what dude??? 

These are not shadow areas. I have no repressed undemocratic values in me. At this point I can't tell if you are joking. 

Trump is careless and a narcissist? This is not me saying it alone. The whole world is saying this. Yes he is self serving. He doesn't even care about the constitution. He wants to be the president even if he lost both in terms of popular vote and electoral vote. That's how self serving he is. 

I don't need to do any shadow work for just expressing my opinions on an undemocratic leader.

Even Leo said that the situation is dangerous now if he doesn't leave 

Maybe it will benefit you if you stop posting your hate and bias against me and focus on yourself. 

Now please don't quote me again because I don't like to waste my time dealing with people who disagree with me. 

If you disagree with me Fine, but don't waste my time engaging me in a debate. I'm come here to learn, grow and express my thoughts and opinions, not to debate and argue with people who disagree with me

Keep your disagreements to yourself and learn to be tolerant of others opinions on a public forum. And don't waste my time. 

And yes, I'm having an opinion on Trump or politics. Not on you. I am not making any personal comments on you so it shouldn't be your worry whatever I say about Trump. 

 

   Then watch what you say, because that's a figment of your imagination, and your previous reply to me warranted some criticism.

   No strong bias against your culture, because I'm making an observation from what you've written, that you're Indian from India, and female, and have shadows from stage red, and jealousy with some stage blue elements not available to you. If I'm wrong and misidentified you, , then be responsible and correct your account.

   I have criticisms of Leo quite a bit, way more compared to my critic of you're behavior lately.

   A person needs to disown part of themselves to be motivated towards emotionally criticizing, otherwise there wouldn't be such a passionate complaint over some American that won a presidency, that you only have second hand knowledge of, from opinions from media outlets and other people you don't know is true.

    All your families, all your friends, all who live long term in America, that are Indian, on the time you're reading this, is held in your mind, and are not real. You're too attached to figments of your imagination you call real for you, you're too emotional to realize you're defending mere thoughts made real. You only have yourself, and nobody else. On the other hand, it's great Biden won, and might actually start passing on policies that'll help you and your family right? Doesn't matter, because all that is hallucinations of your mind. Wake up! Or let me know you don't want to wake, then okay I'll leave it there.

     If what you said about your criticism of Trump is true, then that's fine. Just make it more constructive by toning down the emotional appeals and childish labelling of him, and more solid critic of him. If he wasn't Trump, and some random person, and you give such harsh emotional criticism, don't be surprised other people would find that demonization unappealing.

   You are right about my analysis of your shadow selves, because if I take it more seriously, I could keep listing out your shadow selves for years none stop, and the more you become conscious of them, the more you have to demonize me for calling out your bullshit you're distracting from. However, it seems I've making you uncomfortable and triggered from how you replied to me, so I'll let your ego off the hook.

   However, What I analyzed about you below

20 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Preety_India

   Actually, I can't lack of judgement, because while some judgment I'm self aware enough to make, some judgement runs under consciousness and is held in subconscious mind, the collection of true/false beliefs, and holder of all possible shadow selves.

   I'm not judging stage green as negative or bad. In fact, it's you that is putting words in my writing, and that's called projection. Every stage has a limit where it gets too much, and the trick is noticing that while not adding too much negative labelling on top of the excesses. For example, I don't like communists, so sometimes I can catch myself demonizing them. I actually don't like Trump, because I can see how ignorant he is, which I don't like to admit I was ignorant at one point, but also because I have that shadow self that has his qualities, which I myself don't like. However, his humor I like, because I find it funny, and because it humiliates the elite class that exists in the white house, which, tada, is a communist shadow self in me that likes that humiliation of the powerful.

   I may have some repression of and resist some parts of stage green values, morality, cognition and lines of development, but I'm open to developing myself to stage green, but growth occurs by going through a stage, in this case stage orange. This is important, because if I bum rush towards stage green, I run the risk of not integrating stage orange developments I have yet to fully learn, and like that, instead of me judging a new ager or hippy, later I become the hippy judging business or rationalists with the same hate as I had for hippies, while struggling with finance or with being reasonable.

   No, you hate Donald Trump because of a suppressed shadow self that has qualities to Trump's, not to mention negative traits in men you've pasted onto Trump, and any related traumas from men you've pasted onto Trump. It's a common collective shadow that traditionally raised women in India have in themselves, raised in a stage blue environment that's religious and traditional, that's more male dominated. In such an environment, it's easy for women to be jealous of the power gap experienced in terms of traditional gender roles of men and women.  The negative traits in men you don't like, are shadow self qualities, are theses for example: 'horrible, undemocratic, narcissistic, dangerously careless and self serving', which I suggest is good areas to do shadow work on yourself.

   I haven't put any blame on you, other than making a statement of observation about your position, a position of an outsider's perspective, living in India, giving an opinion, a figment of your imagination, on America's political climate, while you have little shared experience of what Americans have to go through on American soil. Also, statements on your possible shadow parts.

   I'm not nitpicking you, I'm replying to you replying to me.

   You claim your judgement is less dangerous than Trump's judgement. However, this claim is false because you d not have Trump's mind, and because you only have your mind and nobody elses, therefore judgements from your mind, self or others, is far dangerous than what others judge onto you.

still stands against you, and you have yet to deconstruct what I've written enough to warrant my analysis wrong, other than hand wave it off with emotional appeal to people centered around stage green.

[Preety_India]

 

@Danioover9000 you've been bullshitting around me for a really long time. You're being too harsh with me and too self righteous. I don't agree with you at all. And I don't have time to read your long essays on my character. Enough with your bullshit!! 

 

Maybe @Leo Gura can respond better to you. (I don't have the energy to respond to this guy. I seriously give up.) 

 

 

Edited November 12, 2020 by Preety_India

[Nahm]

20 hours ago, Ananta said:

I just got tired of being a mod. I'm a manager at work then would mod here after work. It just got to be too much. So, I asked  Leo to un-mod me. I'm much happier now. I read what I want and say what I want. Trolls aren't my concern any longer.

Understandable.

 

Dear everyone,

Please, don’t continue to engage, vs continuing to engage and reporting multiple posts. Thanks. 

[Danioover9000]

@Preety_India

27 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

 

@Danioover9000 you've been bullshitting around me for a really long time. You're being too harsh with me and too self righteous. I don't agree with you at all. And I don't have time to read your long essays on my character. Enough with your bullshit!! 

 

Maybe @Leo Gura can respond better to you. (I don't have the energy to respond to this guy. I seriously give up.) 

 

 

   Fair enough. I'm done dealing with you as well. Leave me alone.

   I apologies to everyone about the derailment of gleefully demonizing Trump instead of asking questions about if there's any possibilities of Trump's ability to empathize. Coming back to main thread issue about Trump's empathy, is that empathy is under the psychological gravitation of stage red to stage blue. This explains why Trump's actions towards certain criminals is more gentle than what people from stage orange/green and above expect. Because other people that hold values that're stage red/blue, even some orange, are more able to empathize other stage red/blue/orange members.

   Empathy is not limited to stage green, the stage where empathy is extended to include environment and humanitarianism, and emotional well being of others. There's no empathy at stage beige. Empathy at stage purple is limited to family members and the tribe you are in. Stage red empathy is what makes syndicates and criminal organizations possible, they band together, provided they are rewarded with money, sex, or some material success from the leaders. Empathy at stage red is limited only to people or things that the stage red individual values in, or finds attractive, finds very useful for power amplification.  Empathy at stage blue is limited to those who value history, tradition, religion and one's country, this is where we actually see empathy expand to include communities under one religion, or one nationality, or one tradition. This is not like multiple pluralism like in stage green, but a pluralism under one unifying mythology. Empathy is different in stage orange, similar to stage red, that it's conditional to what the orange individual finds relatable, which are those groups or persons that reflect stage orange's values. 

[Jake Johnson]

Speaking for myself I am glad that Trump will be going. I don't expect greatness from Biden but I do think he will be more capable in foreign matters as that is his area of expetise.

Edited November 13, 2020 by Jake Johnson

[Danioover9000]

@JayySur

On 11/9/2020 at 2:22 AM, JayySur said:

 

   Stage red/blue/orange individuals can express different degrees of empathy. In this case, Trump is capable of empathy, but that empathy is filtered through his stage of develop, mainly red/blue/orange values. Empathy is also filtered through a person's moral development, for example the morality of a child is limited to the family first, then the child's peers second, and because of early psychological development, their morality is more absolutist, good or bad, and empathy is more focused on the good things done than bad things. Empathy is also filtered through cognitive development, and how you think, have thoughts form, can effect your actions, including how empathy is expressed.

[Danioover9000]

@Jake Johnson

22 hours ago, Jake Johnson said:

Speaking for myself I am glad that Trump will be going. I don't expect greatness from Biden but I do think he will be more capable in foreign matters as that is his area of expetise.

   What do you mean when you say foreign matters, and specifically where is Biden more capable within foreign matters?

   Is trade included within foreign matters?