Unwanted thoughts haunting me.

[somegirl]

I'm a bit afraid of imagining something I actually don't want and materializing it into existence.

So for example, I would visualize/imagine bright future with a loved one, travelling around the world and then all of a sudden a scary thought pops up, getting hit by a car. Then I try next thought that feels good, and then again, interruption by a tragic scene.

It's as if there is something in my mind purposely ruining the scene I want to create in my mind! 

Maybe if I don't give meaning to any of these unwanted thoughts and disidentify myself from it and don't associate myself with it, it won't matter, and I won't, in fact, materialize these stuff in real life?

I don't know what to do about this. Any advice?

 

[Carl-Richard]

You get what you don't want. Fear-based thoughts are repetitive because they feed on attachments ("should"s). To make them disappear, accept the fear. Give up your need to think happy thoughts and they will come to you.

Edited November 8, 2020 by Carl-Richard

[KingEnergy]

By labeling thoughts as unwanted, you are making enemies out of them.

surprise: the human mind thinks a lot about enemies as a survival mechanism. If my neighbour is my enemy and he is about to murder me any second, best to think of him and where he is at, about what he is doing at all times.

With thoughts its the same, however you have made an enemy about those thoughts because you dont want to think those thoughts. Buy the mind is always thinkinh about the enemy!

I think its best to label the thoughts as neutral and to realize that demonizing the thoughts is making them stronger.

[somegirl]

8 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Fear-based thoughts are repetitive because they feed on attachments ("should"s).

Yeah, I have strong sense of shoulds and shouldn'ts.
 

10 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

To make them disappear, accept the fear. Give up your need to think happy thoughts and they will come to you.

So when you say to accept the fear, you mean like give it space in my mind? Let the mind think that thought even though it's scary?

[Moksha]

When you wake up, you recognize thoughts for what they are. You no longer identify with them, and they have no power over you. You are the illuminated spaciousness in which they arise. 

[somegirl]

@Moksha Yeah, I know, and 5 Meo-DMT would be of great help too, but I'm asking this question as an ordinary peson. I have not awaken, I am probably not going to anytime soon, I'm just trying to figure out how to deal with a problem, being at this stage in life I already am.

Of course awakening is something to pursue, but it's a long way to go.

[Mvrs]

21 minutes ago, somegirl said:

I'm a bit afraid of imagining something I actually don't want and materializing it into existence.

So for example, I would visualize/imagine bright future with a loved one, travelling around the world and then all of a sudden a scary thought pops up, getting hit by a car. Then I try next thought that feels good, and then again, interruption by a tragic scene.

It's as if there is something in my mind purposely ruining the scene I want to create in my mind! 

Maybe if I don't give meaning to any of these unwanted thoughts and disidentify myself from it and don't associate myself with it, it won't matter, and I won't, in fact, materialize these stuff in real life?

I don't know what to do about this. Any advice?

 

Just let them arise notice them like you are doing Rn then let them go. All of this is imagination. It’s the same realness as thinking your gonna win the lottery all the time .

[Moksha]

2 minutes ago, somegirl said:

@Moksha Yeah, I know, and 5 Meo-DMT would be of great help too, but I'm asking this question as an ordinary peson. I have not awaken, I am probably not going to anytime soon, I'm just trying to figure out how to deal with a problem, being at this stage in life I already am.

Of course awakening is something to pursue, but it's a long way to go.

Just noticing your thoughts will raise your consciousness. You don't have to be The Buddha to do that

[Mvrs]

1 minute ago, somegirl said:

@Moksha Yeah, I know, and 5 Meo-DMT would be of great help too, but I'm asking this question as an ordinary peson. I have not awaken, I am probably not going to anytime soon, I'm just trying to figure out how to deal with a problem, being at this stage in life I already am.

Of course awakening is something to pursue, but it's a long way to go.

Or another strategy just dive into it? Love the power of imagination then appreciate it doesn’t come true. Don’t live in fear of these thoughts then they will manifest. Love the power u have to manifest these thoughts as just stories and imagination. And embrace it the more u run the more it will chase u . My family friend is scared of everything always thinking something will go wrong at it always does for them. I think everything will always go right and it always does for me. Never not got a job stuff like that.

[Carl-Richard]

56 minutes ago, somegirl said:

So when you say to accept the fear, you mean like give it space in my mind? Let the mind think that thought even though it's scary?

What you can do is practicing letting go. Everytime the thought "this is bad" or "this is not good" or any sort of judgement arises, just remind yourself that this is infact just a thought. This creates some space in your mind.

When this awareness is present, you have the choice to just let the thoughts come and go without giving it the same emotional weight. You might still feel emotions around the thought, but this too is subject to the same principles of letting go.

By doing this, you're not blocking your ability to ever have these thoughts, but your mind becomes less sticky and more flexible: one thought won't suddenly lead to 10 or 100 thoughts.

[mandyjw]

Look at your life from the perspective of the author of a story rather than the person or character. Why does the author give her beloved character challenges or misfortunes? 

[somegirl]

@Carl-Richard Thank you.

@mandyjw Well, I don't want to give my protagonist a hard time, but as I said, there is "something" in my mind that makes me think of some scary thoughts all of a sudden.

[The0Self]

Depends on how paranoid these thoughts are. The more associated paranoia, the more it can help to pretend to maximize the fearfulness of the thoughts. They are driven by aversion to fear. Turning-up (counterintuitively) an imaginary dial of scariness/fear may dissolve them.

[somegirl]

5 hours ago, Mvrs said:

My family friend is scared of everything always thinking something will go wrong at it always does for them.

Well this is exactly what I'm afraid of. I'm aware of this and yet I still think of things I don't want to.

[somegirl]

5 minutes ago, The0Self said:

Depends on how paranoid these thoughts are. The more associated paranoia, the more it can help to pretend to maximize the fearfulness of the thoughts. They are driven by aversion to fear. Turning-up (counterintuitively) an imaginary dial of scariness/fear may dissolve them.

Ah, I love counter-intuitive nature of reality. You are probably right, I will try to apply this piece of info you gave me.

[Red-White-Light]

@somegirl 1) Visualise your desires 2) Visualise the process 3) Accept fears and execute anyway

[The0Self]

8 minutes ago, somegirl said:

Ah, I love counter-intuitive nature of reality. You are probably right, I will try to apply this piece of info you gave me.

Not that it'll be anything revolutionary, but don't go overboard with it. I had quite a bit of meditation skill, so maybe that's why it worked too well, but anytime I would experience anything remotely disagreeable, I'd lean into it and try to intensify its unpleasantness, which would counter-intuitively make it disappear. I thought I'd discovered the holy grail... But every time I did this I had the hidden agenda of escaping suffering, which the mind then caught on to and so it didn't work for a while. It caused issues...

[somegirl]

@The0Self It's so tricky it seems.

[Bojan V]

Our thoughts can't manifest anything. The belief that thoughts can influence the world is the remnant of the magical stage of development. Only our deeds can cause the change. Also so callled " negative thoughts" are the sign of some childhood trauma coming up to surface to be resolved. Inner healing, shadow integration, would resolve the problem. But that's a hard inner work, that's for sure. No need to fear your thoughts!

[mandyjw]

11 hours ago, somegirl said:

@mandyjw Well, I don't want to give my protagonist a hard time, but as I said, there is "something" in my mind that makes me think of some scary thoughts all of a sudden.

Really, you don't want to give your protagonist a hard time? JK Rowling never gave Harry Potter a hard time? JRR Tolkien never gave Frodo a hard time? Etc? If you attract a negative experience, it's for your growth and development, or for the story's growth and development. Therefore from the author's perspective you cannot attract anything negative.