Sanders vs Trump... What would have been the result?

[GroovyGuru]

I can't stop thinking about how the election would have gone if it was Bernie v Trump.

So many leftist media outlets such as TYT and Kyle Kulinski really believe that the vast majority of the country holds leftist positions and would have voted that way. I'm just not so convinced. Is it actually true that most Americans support things like Medicare for all, free education, and higher minimum wage? Or would they have been too unsure to stick their neck out and vote for such radical change, even if Trump was the opponent? 

How would have mainstream media handled the situation? Who would they back? It's so interesting to think about because it's nearly impossible for me to imagine a scenario where Bernie would have actually gotten the nomination. Wow, as amazing as that would have been, he was just never, ever going to get the support of his party. Because Trump is such an extreme example, maybe an even better gauge would have been Bernie v Biden, without all the other candidates pulling their shenanigans. 

[Preety_India]

Trump. Most people fall asleep after a while when Sanders speaks. 

 

[Willie]

I don’t think anybody with the label “socialist” attached to them is going very far in the U.S. for awhile. Gen Xers and Millenials would have to grow old and die off so those who remember a USSR become a minority. I think Bernie’s hit the ceiling for Socialism in America.

[Hardkill]

10 minutes ago, Willie said:

I don’t think anybody with the label “socialist” attached to them is going very far in the U.S. for awhile. Gen Xers and Millenials would have to grow old and die off so those who remember a USSR become a minority. I think Bernie’s hit the ceiling for Socialism in America.

Yeah, that's what I believe too. However, if Sander's policies weren't so radically progressive, then I think he would've had a really good shot at beating Trump.

[Willie]

23 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

Yeah, that's what I believe too. However, if Sander's policies weren't so radically progressive, then I think he would've had a really good shot at beating Trump.

That’s exactly why Hillary and Biden got the Democratic nominations instead of him. They aren’t as progressive. Sanders isn’t the problem, nor are his policies.

[GroovyGuru]

@Hardkill Yeah but if Bernie's policies weren't so radically progressive he would be Joe Biden

[Dryas]

Trump would've fear mongered 10x harder since Bernie is an actual socialist and Americans would loose their just shit over hearing that word. I'd imagine Bernie loosing like how Biden won, maybe by even some more.

[roopepa]

Trump would have won. Bernie is way too progressive for US today.

49 minutes ago, Dryas said:

Trump would've fear mongered 10x harder since Bernie is an actual socialist and Americans would loose their just shit over hearing that word.

Some Trump supporters actually believe that Biden is just a puppet and Bernie & AOC are secretly pulling the strings to make US socialist. Can't make this shit up 

[Willie]

2 minutes ago, roopepa said:

Some Trump supporters actually believe that Biden is just a puppet and Bernie & AOC are secretly pulling the strings to make US socialist. Can't make this shit up 

They can and they have. And they lost. 

[GroovyGuru]

@roopepa

5 minutes ago, roopepa said:

Trump would have won. Bernie is way too progressive for US today.

Some Trump supporters actually believe that Biden is just a puppet and Bernie & AOC are secretly pulling the strings to make US socialist. Can't make this shit up 

Yeah, that's because conservative media have no intention of providing any nuance in their political commentary and analysis whatsoever. It would be much more effective to ignore any variations and degrees within leftism and rather just label anyone who votes democrat or leans left as a  socialist or communist. It's absurd how brainwashed people are. I know several people who really think we are going to turn into Venezuela because Biden has now been elected. Imagine thinking you can just plop your fat ass on a sofa, turn on fox news, and all the sudden you know what's going on within the country. What I've come to realize is that understanding politics takes a lot of work, a lot of reading of different philosophies and history and so forth. If I had one wish for the American people, it would be that they become enthusiastic and active in constructing their political views, rather than just blindly following whatever mainstream media feeds you. 

[Leo Gura]

People do not vote on policy.

I think Sanders would have been so demonzied as a socialist he would have lost.

Progressives are in denial about this.

[Joel3102]

I think Kyle presents his evidence that most voters are progressive in his own biased way. Like universal healthcare approval ratings vastly differ depending on how the question is worded. They project their own views on the population 

[TrustTheProcess]

32 minutes ago, Joel3102 said:

I think Kyle presents his evidence that most voters are progressive in his own biased way. Like universal healthcare approval ratings vastly differ depending on how the question is worded. They project their own views on the population 

 

[Leo Gura]

Progressives have to be very careful how they frame themselves because the lower stages will deliberately seek to misunderstand and demonize new ideas.

Biden was able to win because the socialist label simply could not be reasonably stuck to him. Only a total idiot would believe that Biden is a socialist.

[Preety_India]

Biden is not a socialist and that's exactly what's good about him. 

 

[GroovyGuru]

@Leo Gura Yeah, too bad there are millions of those kinds of people who exist. Do you think the only way to have a chance of implementing policies that fall under the social democracy umbrella is to create more political parties? Or do you think that the Democratic Party itself will come around one day? I feel the only way the Dem Party starts taking those ideas seriously is more conscious people start to slowly take power over the years. I feel the only way to overcome the corporatism that exists is an eventual embodiment of higher values.

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, GroovyGuru said:

Do you think the only way to have a chance of implementing policies that fall under the social democracy umbrella is to create more political parties?

The current Dem party is aligned with many social dem policies.

Corporate interests are a strong influence in any major party and they will continue to be until we pass a Constitution Amendment banning money in politics.

The Dem party just needs more progressive and non-corporate social dem voices. We don't need a new fringe party. Just elect more folks like AoC and slowly take the party over from the inside.

[Preety_India]

We need a hippy Leo Gura party lol. That's it. That's what we always needed. No money, only 5-Leo DMT. 

Kidding. 

 

[TrustTheProcess]

@Husseinisdoingfine Lol, slow down man. let's go through a soc dem era before we consider hardcore socialism. Public ownership of means of production is prob not going to happen for decades and decades and if it ever happens, it would be actualized through incremental steps. 

[AtheisticNonduality]

3 minutes ago, louhad said:

@Husseinisdoingfine Lol, slow down man. let's go through a soc dem era before we consider hardcore socialism. Public ownership of means of production is prob not going to happen for decades and decades and if it ever happens, it would be actualized through incremental steps. 

We will get public ownership of the means of production at Stage Machine Elf.