Why does noting use verbs instead of nouns?

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If the goal is to see the experiencia as an object, why do teachers use the label hearing instead of sound, seeing instead of image, etc?

If I use the verb listening, it feels like something I am doing (I am listening). However, if I use a noun, it seems completely as an object: sound.

 

Am I doing wrong using sound, image, sensation, odor, thought and flavor labels?

[Leo Gura]

It makes little difference. You could label with A, B, C, D, E.

Stop focusing on the label and place all your attention on the phenomena you are labeling. The phenomena is never identical to the label.

The whole point of labeling is to escape the symbolic mind. Leave behind the world of symbols for direct consciousness.

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45 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It makes little difference. You could label with A, B, C, D, E.

Stop focusing on the label and place all your attention on the phenomena you are labeling. The phenomena is never identical to the label.

The whole point of labeling is to escape the symbolic mind. Leave behind the world of symbols for direct consciousness.

Understood. Thank you!

[Guru Fat Bastard]

One reason is objects of experience have no intrinsic or independent  existence .
Without seeing,the image/object seen, doesn't exist. Seeing is the reality,not the seen. Without hearing,there is no "heard" or sound. Without sensing,there is no sensation. Going further back, it is realized that seeing is not the reality,there's only the awareness/knowing of seeing. So seeing is not independent of the awareness or knowing of it. Awareness/knowing is the reality,not seeing or the object seen. Same with hearing, sensing,smelling etc.,

So you can see that objects,body,world,mind (all that is experienced or "phenomena") .,have no reality/existence independent of consciousness/knowing/awareness.
 

Edited November 7, 2020 by Guru Fat Bastard

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8 minutes ago, Guru Fat Bastard said:

One reason is objects of experience have no intrinsic or independent  existence .
Without seeing,the image/object seen, doesn't exist. Seeing is the reality,not the seen. Without hearing,there is no "heard" or sound. Without sensing,there is no sensation. Going further back, it is realized that seeing is not the reality,there's only the awareness/knowing of seeing. So seeing is not independent of the awareness or knowing of it. Awareness/knowing is the reality,not seeing or the object seen. Same with hearing, sensing,smelling etc.,

So you can see that objects,body,world,mind (all that is experienced or "phenomena") .,have no reality/existence independent of consciousness/knowing/awareness.
 

I feel I am more detachment from experience if I label sound, it feels more like I have nothing to do with then experience unlike if I lavel hearing, since it looks like I am the suject of that verb. I feel more "involved" in the second case.

 

Do you think I am doing wrong the technique labeling with noun labels? It is very important for me to do it correctly since I am practicing this technique 3 hours per day.

[Guru Fat Bastard]

Well the implication is that if seeing,hearing,tasting,smelling,sensing etc., appear and are known,then,just as the object seen,heard,tasted etc., is not "you",then also the sense perceptions(made of mind) are not "you", What's going on, is that to realize truth, whatever is or can be experienced comes and go's. And whatever comes and go's (i.e., is impermanent) is not the reality. You're reducing the dream reality to more and more subtle levels until that which cannot be reduced and is the ground /source of existence is realized. This technique is somewhat based on Shankara's drg drsya viveka.
 

 

Edited November 7, 2020 by Guru Fat Bastard