What in the flying fuck is up with some of these new agers?

[Nercohype]

24 minutes ago, Origins said:

@Leo Gura That's a statement with no evidence, just belief and type so far. This is what I mean Leo, it doesn't get anywhere but something in your mind about the reality you're perceiving. You'd need to run tests to see if I had any idea about consciousness rather than just stating it, just like Trump has to prove there was corruption involved in the presidential voting 'scandal' as he's trying to convince others of, he can't just state it. In our relations with others, to have effective relationships we have to prove things to one another so that we can respect each others minds, so that we know that there's a translation between what someone says and what they can create in reality rather than what they just think they can create.

You should not just believe, try to find the truth on your own. There are many ways in which you could do "Test runs" And directly experience what Leo is telling. So stop whining like a child and do the work

[peachboy]

It's the very subtle but incredibly important qualities of creativity and unpredictability which gives vibrancy to the dream-world. It's something to be respected.

Do you remember when you were young and playing a game with a group of friends - one of the group might say "Let's pretend that we've crashed landed on an alien planet!". And then someone else from the group might say: "Yeah! And let's pretend that's there's a giant monster behind that rock!". And then someone else might say "Yeah! And let's pretend we have laser guns!". And so the story continues, interactively, with everyone contributing a personal variable that can be shared by all.

So the Starseeds, the Lightworkers, the Arcturians, the Pleadians, Light-Language etc..... these are just creative and unpredictable contributions that flesh out the imaginative potential for our shared reality. It's far more important than you might think, because without creative imagination the dream-world would simply collapse.

At the highest levels, the light-side (and the dark-side) know full well that we are all One. But the very fact that you are still here, proves that you (like they) are having far too much fun playing the game.

And as long as we're still playing the game, we're going to need bags of creative imaginations and quirks of unpredictability. Else we wouldn't have a fun game going on.

 

 

[seeking_brilliance]

@electroBeam when you start to have more lucid dreams.... One of my favourite things to do is to have conversations with dream characters. Many people gloss over this as something trivial, but it's not at all! Just as you can't directly put the words into Leo's mouth, you can't with dream characters either! Would you say you are separate from them?  Yes there's a wall of imagined separation, otherwise the conversation wouldn't take place. In a state of high lucidity, you can even imagine that wall doesn't exist.

But you ARE the dream characters as well.  Even the 'you' in the dream is a dream character. 

Edited November 7, 2020 by seeking_brilliance

[seeking_brilliance]

@lmfao I hope your brain recovers from this major triggering experience. 

 

Edited November 7, 2020 by seeking_brilliance

[electroBeam]

7 minutes ago, seeking_brilliance said:

@electroBeam when you start to have more lucid dreams.... One of my favourite things to do is to have conversations with dream characters. Many people gloss over this as something trivial, but it's not at all! Just as you can't directly put the words into Leo's mouth, you can't with dream characters either! Would you say you are separate from them?  Yes there's a wall of imagined separation, otherwise the conversation wouldn't take place. In a state of high lucidity, you can even imagine that wall doesn't exist.

But you ARE the dream characters as well.  Even the 'you' in the dream is a dream character. 

I agree 

but I have an intuition that I can understand God 100000% Understand God so much that I would be aware of everything about that dream character.

It seems like a mystery, why is seeking_brilliance writing this, why is electroBeam writing this, but IDK I think that actually can be demystified. I have an intuition its possible, and that's why I'm super curious about and trying to do. Who knows maybe I'm full of shit... but it really doesn't feel that way. I think God can know him self to that level. 

[seeking_brilliance]

@electroBeam if you could understand electroBeam 100000%, how long would that take, and would there be enough time to turn that understanding towards seeking_brilliance or leo, before the memories and personality is reset? Sure, I think Intuition is what remains after that hard reset, but it could take a lifetime to expand it enough to full godhead. 

Also, I'm making all this stuff up in any hopes to work it all out. I'm also content knowing that it's not necessary to work anything out. 

Now leo might come on here and tell me that the hard reset is merely imagined. And that's OK! I'm OK with that. 

Edited November 7, 2020 by seeking_brilliance

[electroBeam]

@seeking_brilliance luckily there's infinite amount of time to understand

 

[seeking_brilliance]

Just now, electroBeam said:

@seeking_brilliance luckily there's infinite amount of time to understand

 

Take all you need ?

[Origins]

@Leo Gura Has nothing to do with cleverness and everything to do with stating an opinion and then backing it up with more than Trump evidence.

But when in doubt, let's just use Biden's puppets tactics to get YT channels like TYT on the Democrat's side to control the intersubjective narrative not just on potential voting fraud (TYT hate Trump), but on our entire view of consciousness, regardless as to whether or not we've actually created anything of intellectual value that corroborates our perceptions on said view.

The only thing comparable to an infinite imagination I see is the seemingly infinite amount of ways people try to control other peoples perceptions on things rather than just speaking to the truth of what something actually is from sound principles that have been agreed upon, of which one single cohesive intellectual view on consciousness can be ascertained, even if there's disagreements in the footnotes at least you're getting somewhere.

An infinite amount of views allows for tactics that allow one to obscure, confuse and distort to creep in just as they do in politics and just is what happens in discussions where there's no agreed upon standards to commit to discovering and sharing the truth on something such as with conspiracy theories, of which, infinite imagination and infinite consciousness stands on no greater intellectual ground. If you fought your own stances on subjects just as hard as you fought views on conspiracy theories I imagine conversing with you on your own beliefs would be far more intellectually progressive and useful of ones time.

Edited November 7, 2020 by Origins

[arlin]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Experience will simply change to something else.

So when you die everyting will restart from scratch? Like, the life that i live here doesn't even matter, i could become and start all over again without any memory? Or does it work that actually, based on what you lived here you will incarnate in something "higher counsciousness"? 

What do you believe leo?

Also, if all there is is experiences, how can god feel complete? How can god realize itself? I mean, you can awaken as you did many times, but how can god actually be complete? Realize itself fully?

It seems like this is just an eternal dream from what you say. And will always be a gap between experiencer and god (even if they are the same thing).

Edited November 7, 2020 by arlin

[electroBeam]

@arlin do you not sleep?  I'd like to study you more. 

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, arlin said:

So when you die everyting will restart from scratch? Like, the life that i live here doesn't even matter, i could become and start all over again without any memory? Or does it work that actually, based on what you lived here you will incarnate in something "higher counsciousness"? 

What do you believe leo?

I'm not sure what the exact mechanics are which determine the next set of experiences.

All I know is that if you become fully awake, you have 100% freedom to create anything you want. But you will also use that freedom to create the highest Love and Goodness, so it really isn't free at all. You're locked into being Love/Good.

5 minutes ago, arlin said:

Also, if all there is is experiences, how can god feel complete? How can god realize itself? I mean, you can awaken as you did many times, but how can god actually be complete? Realize itself fully?

By awakening.

[Reciprocality]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You won't ever die. Death is imaginary. Experience will simply change to something else.

Death is imaginary, experience will change to something else.

Does not mean death is unreal.

It means we can not KNOW if death is real.

Edited November 7, 2020 by Reciprocality

[Javfly33]

2 minutes ago, Reciprocality said:

Death is imaginary, experience will change to something else.

Does not mean death is unreal.

It means we can not KNOW if death is real.

It depends what you call death.

If you identify Life as a set of fixed forms (as your body or the colours you see), then death is real, since your body will stop appearing and the colours will probably change.

However if you identify Life as awareness, if you think as Life as being conscious of something, then death is not real, it´s just an idea in your mind. Since there must be consciousness at all times. Since consciousness it´s all that exists (Lol).

[peachboy]

7 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

It depends what you call death.

Death as state (the opposite of life) is impossible.

Death as process (the opposite of birth) is possible, but only as an illusion.

[Reciprocality]

14 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

It depends what you call death.

If you identify Life as a set of fixed forms (as your body or the colours you see), then death is real, since your body will stop appearing and the colours will probably change.

However if you identify Life as awareness, if you think as Life as being conscious of something, then death is not real, it´s just an idea in your mind. Since there must be consciousness at all times. Since consciousness it´s all that exists (Lol).

To the first one: yes indeed.

To the latter: death is imaginary as you said, it does not make it less real if you get shot, it makes it unknowable now whether it becomes real or not then. Unknowable and imaginary are anitthetical to a conclusion of the fatal reality, synchronicaly death IS just an idea in my mind. But that does not tell us anything about the diachronics thereafter, neither does it tell us there is anything thereafter at all. Which makes it fallacious to conclude that there can be no death.

This is the case whether death is fatal or not.

edit: Fallacious does not mean you are not right, it means language did not serve the purpose you either fooled yourself into believeing or the purpose on real premises but bottlenecked by language itself, which may be the case.

Edited November 7, 2020 by Reciprocality

[Leo Gura]

33 minutes ago, Reciprocality said:

Death is imaginary, experience will change to something else.

Does not mean death is unreal.

It means we can not KNOW if death is real.

No, death is purely imaginary. It's not real at all unless you are imagining it.

You're not appreciate how profound this is.

One day you will realize that death literally isn't anything more real than a unicorn. Death is just an idea.

[arlin]

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I'm not sure what the exact mechanics are which determine the next set of experiences.

And those can never be known until you are human?

Seems weird because if you awaken to god then it's strange that you can't know this.

Can it be that you carry in your consciousness, at then end of your life, your regrets and deep desired and then those are the things that get carried on?

27 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

By awakening.

Yes but awakening lasts what the psychedelic lasts and then it's over...

I meant, how can you actually as god be eternally peacefull and complete? Since there are always experiences, this can't be done...

Or when the body dies, there is that. End then something else is created.

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, arlin said:

Seems weird because if you awaken to god then it's strange that you can't know this.

I didn't say it can't be known.

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Can it be that you carry in your consciousness, at then end of your life, your regrets and deep desired and then those are the things that get carried on?

Again, anything can be. There are no limits.

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Yes but awakening lasts what the psychedelic lasts and then it's over...

How long it lasts is irrelevant because time is imaginary.

Awakening is eternal. It is not bound by time.

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I meant, how can you actually as god be eternally peacefull and complete? Since there are always experiences, this can't be done...

By fully awakening.

A full awakening is eternal paradise. You become totally complete and at peace.

If you then ask, "But how long will that last?" << you've fallen back into illusion and duality. Paradise is not bound by time, which is what makes it paradise. But you are not guaranteed to stay in it forever.

[Origins]

@modmyth From my perspective what I see you're doing is patterning and re-patterning the patterns created by consciousness in its observations of experience and as a consequence to that defining the terms and conditions by which you live life while honing your intuition through that holistic process. It's sincerely a really difficult thing to do, it'll only make you more and more open minded, other than that what it can also do is sometimes create needless dissonance if you're noticing logical inconsistencies in yourself, in these situations I'd learn to trust your intuition at the cost of somebody else, especially when you're likely spending far more time than most when it comes to honing your abilities here.