There Is Hope for Science (This guy)

[QandC]

 

[The0Self]

Wonderful.

[Moksha]

Loved it, especially his admission that he doesn't believe in any theories, and the recognition of the possibility of an ultimate reality that is beyond human comprehension.

[Travelion]

The last minutes are great, but what if the physicists assume that consciousness is just a coincidence? Wouldn't that fit perfectly into their problem? But maybe that's almost as worse as unexplainable

Edited November 6, 2020 by Travelion

[Moksha]

He's a very smart guy, but his logic is a little flawed. He left physicality because it couldn't explain the evolutionary selection of consciousness, but he doesn't recognize that evolution could select for intelligence, which in turn produces consciousness, rather than selecting for consciousness itself.

He does recognize that the physicalists can't definitively explain why consciousness occurs in the first place. The epiphenomenalists have explanations for that though.

Like any good scientist, he refuses to indoctrinate his own, or any other, scientific theory. That is the beginning of wisdom. Unfortunately, it is also the end of wisdom, until he is willing to validate direct experience.

[The0Self]

46 minutes ago, Moksha said:

He's a very smart guy, but his logic is a little flawed. He left physicality because it couldn't explain the evolutionary selection of consciousness, but he doesn't recognize that evolution could select for intelligence, which in turn produces consciousness, rather than selecting for consciousness itself.

He does recognize that the physicalists can't definitively explain why consciousness occurs in the first place. The epiphenomenalists have explanations for that though.

Like any good scientist, he refuses to indoctrinate his own, or any other, scientific theory. That is the beginning of wisdom. Unfortunately, it is also the end of wisdom, until he is willing to validate direct experience.

I'd say it's an auspicious sign that science and mysticism came full circle, not that it wasn't always that way in a sense. There is only ______.

[Moksha]

30 minutes ago, The0Self said:

I'd say it's an auspicious sign that science and mysticism came full circle, not that it wasn't always that way in a sense. There is only ______.

The ancient Eastern sages practiced spiritual science. The literal meaning of brahmavidya is "supreme science". It is the discipline of focusing intently and systematically on the contents of consciousness, and discarding everything impermanent as ultimately unreal. Their principle was neti, neti atma: "this is not the self; that is not the self." They peeled away identity, layer by layer, and found at the core the one irreducible reality: Consciousness itself.

This meets scientific standards, with one crucial exception. It cannot be externally observed and replicated. It can only be directly experienced.

[The0Self]

@Moksha Amen.