Leo, is seeking to understand the truth based on fear?

[Nahm]

2 hours ago, wavydude said:

@Nahm Well let's take this imaginary scenario. Let's assume my sister went into my room and smashed my laptop with a hammer. I could just disregard it and let it go but if it still bothered me in the back of my mind I could confront her and If she's honest I would learn her motives and there for making letting it go much easier and whole situation more "complete" it would also be a valuable learning experience as insight into workings of human behaviours  

If I am hearing you accurately, due to your understanding of why she did that you are no longer creating your anxiety & unhappiness. So there essentially must be understanding, or you will continue to create anxiety & unhappiness...? 

 

[The0Self]

If seeking-the-truth is based on fear, that’s exactly how you know it isn’t really seeking-the-truth. There’s nothing more scary than the truth. It’s death; no you.

[Leo Gura]

6 hours ago, SamC said:

What about my personality of being a philosopher though? I know you also are like that.. is that based on fear ( ego) or just authentic personality preferences? Is that an expression of who you are or is it just Ego? I mean Echart and Sadgurhu doesn't seem to be like you in that sense. Why is that? @Leo Gura

Total understanding of reality is possible.

Understanding is the ultimate pursuit. It is not based in fear or ego. It is based in God wanting to know itself.

You just have to go about it the right way.

You psychologist is fucking clueless about what understanding actually is.

[Nahm]

1 hour ago, SamC said:

How are you creating anxiety & unhappiness then? 

By trying to understand in order to create a sense of stability, meaning and control.

How’s that working out? 

[Claymoree]

4 hours ago, wavydude said:

@Nahm

But isn't understanding something a way to resolve mind's conflict ? Like when you understand some mechanism (weather psychological or other) you can drop it and be free or act better according to your understanding. Isn't it one way to quite the mind ?

You are right, but there are different types of understanding, there is understanding based on memory, knowledge, and then there is awareness,

Awareness pierces trough everything, actually giving you understanding  and allowing to learn , instead of being mostly automated , skipping trough most of information like we usually do, that is in my opinion  why small kids learn so fast , their mind is not clogged yet, they have strong awareness and interest in world, but while we grow up we become more passive and automated. 

Edited October 30, 2020 by Claymoree

[Member]

No, the seeking energy is just fine. Go with it but be careful to not abuse it because it can consume you.

[SamC]

1 hour ago, Nahm said:

How’s that working out? 

Some examples.

 

1:How female attraction works.

2: How a certain thing is

3: which people like me and which people don't. 

 

In all of the 3 exampels above I get stability in knowing how a certain thing works and therefor I can manipulate the world to make sure I am safe and uphold my identity as being special for knowing stuff and being " smart".

 

Awareness alone is something different though. It's more being in the know and from there not knowing anything but at the same time knowing everything cause you are the thing. 

In other words, I overthink - but that doesn't mean I shouldn't seak understanding - just be in the present moment more instead of in my head cause it's limited anyway.

[Nahm]

@SamC

But how is that working out? 

[SamC]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Total understanding of reality is possible.

Understanding is the ultimate pursuit. It is not based in fear or ego. It is based in God wanting to know itself.

You just have to go about it the right way.

You psychologist is fucking clueless about what understanding actually is.

Yes, but that's equivalent to raising your conciousness right?  ( a shift from thinking to being). Then my psychologist is pointing me in the right direction counterintuitively anyway while still being wrong about the seeking for metaphysicial understanding. ( cause that's a different desire)

I probably have both then. Both ego desire for understanding and an authentic desire for truth and understanding which I only can get from letting go of the ego desire anyway. He is pointing at the ego/ fear side of overthinking which is hindering me - but neglect the nuances

[SamC]

2 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@SamC

But how is that working out? 

Ahh lol. Well it drives me forward but it's self destructive so it's better to let it go and be more in the moment I think. It serves me in many ways

[Moksha]

8 minutes ago, SamC said:

In other words, I overthink - but that doesn't mean I shouldn't seak understanding - just be in the present moment more instead of in my head cause it's limited anyway.

Exactly. Thinking will never lead you to understanding. It is a will-o'-wisp promising to light your way, but instead it leads you into the swamp of oblivion.

You will find yourself by not thinking. It's called Being for a reason

[Moksha]

4 minutes ago, SamC said:

Ahh lol. Well it drives me forward but it's self destructive so it's better to let it go and be more in the moment I think. It serves me in many ways

See what you did there?

[SamC]

6 minutes ago, Moksha said:

See what you did there?

I think so

[Nahm]

18 hours ago, SamC said:

Ahh lol. Well it drives me forward but it's self destructive so it's better to let it go and be more in the moment I think. It serves me in many ways

Care to elaborate? 

[SamC]

7 hours ago, Nahm said:

Care to elaborate? 

I seek understanding because I fear being incapable

Here is an article that explains what I mean.(:

https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/type-5