If the politics of this forum aren't going to change I'm leaving

[Carl-Richard]

31 minutes ago, Keyhole said:

When someone says that there is something not quite right with the equilibrium of this place they aren't lying and you guys are gaslighting by not accepting that it's true - because it is all you have to do is feel into your gut and take a good look at how people communicate. 

There is no such thing as an equilibrium and utopias don't exist.

[cuteguy]

On 10/28/2020 at 9:36 PM, Marinador said:

You can't be manipulating reality from fear, this is going to get out of hand

Namaste

The only reason you should be in this forum, in the first place, is to learn to accept things as they and not bitch about them.

[Shin]

18 minutes ago, Keyhole said:

@Danioover9000 It's a virus that could be halted if everyone here just stopped and became self-aware of it.

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I'm serious, for every one of you that reads this, immediately change your tone and try coming from a loving and understanding perspective towards other people on this forum and everything will change right before your eyes.

(I'll give it a shot when I'm able to do it for real and not falsely emulate, but if you already inherently have the ability to do this and you're at that level then you should start doing it.)

Don't allow other spiritual teachers or people around you to infect you with arrogance.

It's fine to follow Leo's teachings but be careful not to follow his behavioral characteristics, after being bullied by a group of narcissists online I witnessed how this plays out in communities.  Assuming that Leo does have some altruistic reason for being so cold don't assume that you will be able to emulate that.  The light is warm, so be warm.

I have anger issues too among other issues and when I come on here and find that someone is writing really ridiculous s*** pertaining to the emotional experiences that I'm going through then I do have a problem with that and I imagine that if I'm going through that then it's not just me who has dealt with this behavior and people need to take a stand.

It needs to stop.

If you f****** want a church then treat it like a f****** Church. 

You know how you do that?  You act in a way that allows Divinity to work its magic through an establishment, and that happens all through you.  If you actually work with the light then you will intuitively know how to do this. 

You invite the light into you and subsequently into the people around you.

The reason why I'm mentioning this is because I see a lot of people who claim to have it or claim to know it and think that they have some method for sharing it... make sure you're getting your light from a pure source and not from someone who has tainted energy because you will take that with you.

Do I know better?

Pffft.  No.

But I can see when something's not quite right, and when I feel as though I'm getting farther from myself rather than closer to who I am when in a group of people - this tips me off that something isn't right.

Leo you didn't integrate stage purple fully did you?  There's a lot of leftover stuff from there that bleeds out into the energy of this place.

I would even go so far as to suggest that if you are someone who has acted in such a manner and is having issues with it to take a break from here and then come back with fresh eyes and see how the collective ego of this forum plays out and how it may or may not have been interfering with your spiritual path.

Sometimes you can't see it very clearly when you're immersed in it.

The devil's in the details, ain't it?

 

[Leo Gura]

@Keyhole What you are seeing on this forum is how humans behave in general. These dynamics are inherent and will never change. These social, political dynamics exist within all social groups -- including all spiritual groups. Which is why I never build Actualized.org into a large organization. Because I know it will turn into a giant collective ego fiasco.

My advice is: focus on doing inner work and don't get entangled too deeply in group politics.

The people we've banned from this forum would not have made this forum better had we not banned them. I have been cracking down on people lately and it makes the forum better, at the cost of pissing some people off. And, OF COURSE it creates an echo-chamber of sorts. That's just inherent to how this stuff works.

You have to understand what a forum is and what it can and can't do. This place will never be as pure as you want it to be. This is not a church. This is an online forum full of egos. And will never be anything other than that.

[Shin]

2 minutes ago, Keyhole said:

@Shin Of course I work on changing myself, it doesn't change the fact that ideally you should be doing both.

I've seen you mention before that there are some behavioral things that could be changed around here so is there a particular reason that when I mention it a quote like this is warranted or is it that you're just a hypocritical mood today?

Coincidentally a toxic environment produces less results on both accounts so mentioning it is very important and very valuable.

There is a post every 2 weeks saying the same thing in the first section of the forum.
I don't see the point of spamming the forum with those.

It's realistic to hope that Leo change his behavior with threads like those, but the entire forum ? Every people who comes here ?

That's wishful thinking (at best)  

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Keyhole said:

It's almost as if the world doesn't want me to evolve

Of course it doesn't. The world wants you to serve their survival needs. You are a pawn for others.

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And when I feel as though I'm getting closer to Truth

Don't come to this forum looking for Truth. Or any forum. You won't find Truth on the internet. That's not what the internet is for.

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Because I don't think your followers understand how individualistic each person's path must be.

Yes, I encourage all of you to find your unique paths.

[Claymoree]

51 minutes ago, Keyhole said:

It's a virus that could be halted if everyone here just stopped and became self-aware of it.

I'm serious, for every one of you that reads this, immediately change your tone and try coming from a loving and understanding perspective towards other people on this forum and everything will change right before your eyes.

(I'll give it a shot when I'm able to do it for real and not falsely emulate, but if you already inherently have the ability to do this and you're at that level then you should start doing it.)

Don't allow other spiritual teachers or people around you to infect you with arrogance.

 

 

Guilty, you are right and  they should probably put this as reminder every time you  post, 

 

[Claymoree]

10 minutes ago, Keyhole said:

@Claymoree I would do it myself but I don't know how to transmute things like this through light - I still have too many character flaws and am still too dark to do that without it becoming a complex of its own, but I know that there are a lot of people here who have fully embodied this that can. 

And they're choosing to go in the opposite direction because of the established energetics behind this group.  And that can change.  Very easily.

And then coincidentally you will find people like me, and others, who are at lower stages of development will automatically start moving up the scale energetically.

True, people who have been long enough into this work should have capacity to not let get pulled under and be beacon of light for others. 

Edited October 31, 2020 by Claymoree

[Preety_India]

@Keyhole how do you manage trolls on the forum. Lately there has been an uptick in the number of trolls on the forum. 

They will start taking digs at character, argue endlessly and its clearly visible that their only goal is to insinuate and pass some nasty comment on character. 

It creates an atmosphere of personal attacks and easily spiral into bullying 

 

[Carl-Richard]

40 minutes ago, Keyhole said:

You can find Truth in a ham sandwich for Christ sakes.

Can't find truth on the internet hahaha what are you smoking.

Don't expect your ham sandwich to be 100% pure, neutral and balanced.

[Fran11]

8 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

@Keyhole how do you manage trolls on the forum. Lately there has been an uptick in the number of trolls on the forum. 

They will start taking digs at character, argue endlessly and its clearly visible that their only goal is to insinuate and pass some nasty comment on character. 

It creates an atmosphere of personal attacks and easily spiral into bullying 

 

Yeah that's disgusting, I've learned to identify those kind of users and just ignore them and cut the conversation right away instead of enaging in endless arguments...

It's better to just let their egos have the last word and don't waste time with them.

Edited October 31, 2020 by Fran11

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Keyhole said:

You can find Truth in a ham sandwich for Christ sakes.

Can't find truth on the internet hahaha what are you smoking.

 

He's talking about the Absolute.  That is within.

[Preety_India]

58 minutes ago, Keyhole said:

This is love - this is what sounds like and feels like love. (Ime)

It's an all pervasive flow, the full spectrum of colors and emotions, intuition, there isn't a break in the emotion it just keeps going and going and going.  It's the one thing that trumps everything else.  

If you can help then help if you can't then don't hurt.

These are the laws of nature and if you weren't working through those laws then you aren't really working with source.

 

You're such a blessing to the forum Keyhole.

Your words resonate so much with me. I find a lot of hope and inspiration in you.

Whenever I read whatever you write, it's almost feels like my heart is saying the same thing but couldn't bring myself to say it. But those same ideas were buried in me. 

Keep up with your recent work. You are growing on this forum like fine wine, just getting better and better, especially all the light related concepts that you spoke about earlier in the thread, it makes so much sense, I had similar insights. 

I'm just a bit slow at catching up. But I'm slowly getting there. 

Your work will inspire a lot of people like me on this forum. So keep up.

Most people just come here to start some frivolous argument. Very few people are really interested in true energetic work. 

Your words make me feel like I'm coming closer to Truth and Love. 

Amen Sister. 

 

@Fran11 yep I agree. Letting go is just the option left. Also it feels liberating. 

Who got time to deal with them anyway?! Haha 

 

Edited October 31, 2020 by Preety_India

[Fran11]

2 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

@Fran11 yep I agree. Letting go is just the option left. Also it feels liberating. 

Who got time to deal with them anyway?! Haha 

We've got to deal with immature people in everday life as well... so it's a good exercise 

[Preety_India]

@Fran11

[Akemrelax]

I mean some of you complaining have acted like trolls yourself, it's not like you yourselves are some pure beings. Some of you even opposed Drewknows banning when he clearly violated forum rules. Just sayin.

It feels like there's an unofficial group here and the members got each other's backs... There is implicit pressure to not question and challenge their ideas...

Edited October 31, 2020 by Akemrelax

[Carl-Richard]

1 minute ago, Keyhole said:

@Carl-Richard I don't I expect my hand sandwich to have little grains of fat in it and if it was processed poorly probably little bits of eyeball and hoof.

Expect the unexpected 

[Inliytened1]

@Keyhole this community is really thankful to have folks like you and @Preety_India making it what it is.  So i hope you both stick around

 

[Shin]

Imagine If Leo was 95% of the time answering in an obvious loving way.

75% of the forum would take exemple on him.

Imagine how the forum would look like.

?

[Inliytened1]

Just now, Shin said:

Imagine If Leo was 95% of the time answering in an obvious loving way.

75% of the forum would take exemple on him.

Imagine how the forum would look like.

?

They would be like you - you banana