My hand is a hand

[from chaos into self]

Isn’t saying my hand is a hand a name, not a belief?

[Carl-Richard]

A name is a concept. A hand is a concept. Belief is conceptual. That is the connection you're looking for.

[Rilles]

Isnt your hand also a finger? Which is it? Is your hand a nail? What about skin? Is your hand skin or your skin a hand? 

this is fun!

[from chaos into self]

4 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

A name is a concept. A hand is a concept. Belief is conceptual. That is the connection you're looking for.

Thanks

[Someone here]

Awesome. Now it's time to change the name from actualized.org to insanalized. Net. 

 

Edited October 25, 2020 by Someone here

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, from chaos into self said:

Isn’t saying my hand is a hand a name, not a belief?

That's a name.

But you also believe you have a hand.

Like, if you are talking to me and I tell you that you don't have a hand, you will object that you in fact do -- even if you don't have a direct experience of your hand in that moment.

A better example here would be the brain. You believe you have a brain.

[zeroISinfinity]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

Awesome. Now it's time to change the name from actualized.org to insanalized. Net. 

 

Self =LOVE ❤️ actualized.org it's correct name. 

[Someone here]

9 minutes ago, zeroISinfinity said:

Self =LOVE ❤️ actualized.org it's correct name. 

How do you know that's the correct name? If you are not seeing the logo right now it's just a belief. Maybe Leo did change the name. 

[Claymoree]

15 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

A better example here would be the brain. You believe you have a brain.

Stop being so rude  Leo!  

[zeroISinfinity]

@Someone here Love is not a beleif it's actuality. 

Yes you don't have a brain. 

[Someone here]

8 minutes ago, zeroISinfinity said:

@Someone here Love is not belief it's actuality. 

Yes you don't have a brain. 

Typically zeroISinfinity response. Not so much different than your other 9000 posts. 

[zeroISinfinity]

@Someone here Truth is Truth. 

[r0ckyreed]

35 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Typically zeroISinfinity response. Not so much different than your other 9000 posts. 

9000 posts is also your belief.

[zeroISinfinity]

@r0ckyreed 9000 posts are actual hence not a beleif. 

This /actual Love  is not a beleif. 

Also let go of need for debate judgements and hate since I am not other then you(you are love you are everything). You are just hurting yourself. 

[Samuel Garcia]

Isn't seeing and feeling my hand proof I have a hand? I may not know even if there is a material hand there, but I know the perceptions of the hand, so if I am honest I can at least say I can perceive (feel and see) this hand? Although the hand is a label. Or is the label ''my hand'' already too much?

And when I lose attention of my hand, perhaps I can say I do not know of my hand in my direct experience. But then my attention goes back to my hand. 

''I have a hand'' maybe a belief, but that belief stops my hand getting hurt and protects me, and allows me to use it. So what is the big problem with the belief of my hand?

[The0Self]

Your hand is what it is.

[Leo Gura]

20 minutes ago, Samuel Garcia said:

Isn't seeing and feeling my hand proof I have a hand? I may not know even if there is a material hand there, but I know the perceptions of the hand, so if I am honest I can at least say I can perceive (feel and see) this hand? Although the hand is a label. Or is the label ''my hand'' already too much?

And when I lose attention of my hand, perhaps I can say I do not know of my hand in my direct experience. But then my attention goes back to my hand. 

Why don't you believe that your hand exists one moment and doesn't exist the next? Then it is created the next. This more reflects your experience. Yet you believe in a permanent physical hand.

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''I have a hand'' maybe a belief, but that belief stops my hand getting hurt and protects me, and allows me to use it. So what is the big problem with the belief of my hand?

And what is the problem when Nazis believe that Jews are like cockroaches? It helps protect white Nazi purity from being poluted by those dirty Jews.

Hey, as long as you are surviving, what's wrong with lies? If I steal your money by lying to you, what's wrong with that? I can buy myself a nice car. Great, right?

[silene]

18 minutes ago, Samuel Garcia said:

So what is the big problem with the belief of my hand?

No problem at all, as long as you see the difference between the actuality and the belief. The territory and the map. The problem is, we spend so much time in abstract beliefs, we're asleep to what's real. Awake to what's actual, what the word points to. 

[Samuel Garcia]

59 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Why don't you believe that your hand exists one moment and doesn't exist the next? Then it is created the next. This more reflects your experience. Yet you believe in a permanent physical hand.

So then what's true beyond my experience, if anything? If I look down, my hand is still there so it seems that there is still a permanent physical hand. What are you saying is the truth here? Ultimately can we ever know what is the truth, or can we only know what we directly experience?

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Hey, as long as you are surviving, what's wrong with lies? If I steal your money by lying to you, what's wrong with that? I can buy myself a nice car. Great, right?

Can I still get to the truth, and still survive? If I didn't have the beliefs regarding my body and the material world, I might physically die -- and still not get to the truth of existence in that case! 

[diamondpenguin]

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Edited October 25, 2020 by diamondpenguin