My hand is a hand

[r0ckyreed]

4 hours ago, zeroISinfinity said:

@r0ckyreed 9000 posts are actual hence not a beleif. 

This /actual Love  is not a beleif. 

Also let go of need for debate judgements and hate since I am not other then you(you are love you are everything). You are just hurting yourself. 

There is no hate or judgment here. All of that is your interpretation and imagination. 9000 posts are imagination. Nothing actual about it. Your own hand and body are imaginary. Transcend these ideas and beliefs and Love will be all your left with.

 

Notice that everything you type, think or say or are convinced of or identify with is concept and imagination, not actuality. 

Edited October 25, 2020 by r0ckyreed

[ivory]

7 hours ago, Rilles said:

Isnt your hand also a finger? Which is it? Is your hand a nail? What about skin? Is your hand skin or your skin a hand? 

this is fun!

That's how you deconstruct concepts! 

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, Samuel Garcia said:

So then what's true beyond my experience, if anything? If I look down, my hand is still there so it seems that there is still a permanent physical hand. What are you saying is the truth here? Ultimately can we ever know what is the truth, or can we only know what we directly experience?

All knowledge is impossible. Experience is inherently unknowable.

3 hours ago, Samuel Garcia said:

Can I still get to the truth, and still survive? If I didn't have the beliefs regarding my body and the material world, I might physically die -- and still not get to the truth of existence in that case! 

Truth is death

[TrustTheProcess]

@Leo Gura What is the definition of knowledge from your perspective?

[Leo Gura]

17 minutes ago, louhad said:

@Leo Gura What is the definition of knowledge from your perspective?

It cannot be defined because it's infinite. You cannot define Infinity.

Any definitions will be incomplete and devolve into paradox and contradiction due to self-reference problems.

Philosophers have been trying to define "knowledge" for over 2000 years. No one has succeeded yet. That should tell you something.

[mikelyons]

@Leo Gura As a follow up:

What do you think about knowledge being "something you can't quite define, but you know it when you [know] it" like pornography...?

The intuitive understanding of what is knowledge, being able to say "my name" is knowledge, "calculus" is knowledge, "how to drive a car" is knowledge, without being able to put a definition into words.

Is this just intuition, or is there some other way we can try to put a wrapper around the concept of knowledge?
Or do we just lump it in with the rest of what we refer to as a lesser "infinity"?

(forgive asking for a repeat, it's been a while since I watched How to Harness Your Intuition)

Edited October 26, 2020 by mikelyons
can doesn't mean do

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, mikelyons said:

@Leo Gura As a follow up:

What do you think about knowledge being "something you can't quite define, but you know it when you [know] it" like pornography...?

The intuitive understanding of what is knowledge, being able to say "my name" is knowledge, "calculus" is knowledge, "how to drive a car" is knowledge, without being able to put a definition into words.

Is this just intuition, or is there some other way we can try to put a wrapper around the concept of knowledge?
Or do we just lump it in with the rest of what we refer to as a lesser "infinity"?

(forgive asking for a repeat, it's been a while since I watched How to Harness Your Intuition)

Well, your question is the classic question of epistemology 101 classes as taught in universities.

Like I said, the entire history of Western philosophy from Plato to Derrida is a history of guys trying to define and understand what knowledge is. It's a very hairy subject. It will forever elude your grasp. But of course you have some vague intuition of what it is.

Traditional Western philosophy defines knowledge as "true justified belief". But of course every term in this definition is problematic to define, so the definition ends up being circular.

In the end, knowledge is a conceptual function of Universal Consciousness and all knowledge is relativistic, dualistic, partial, biased, and finite.

[zeroISinfinity]

11 hours ago, r0ckyreed said:

There is no hate or judgment here. All of that is your interpretation and imagination. 9000 posts are imagination. Nothing actual about it. Your own hand and body are imaginary. Transcend these ideas and beliefs and Love will be all your left with.

 

Notice that everything you type, think or say or are convinced of or identify with is concept and imagination, not actuality. 

Here's your answer. 

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

 

Truth is death

 

[Samuel Garcia]

13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

All knowledge is impossible. Experience is inherently unknowable.

But isn't the one thing we know for certain our direct experience of what is in this moment? I know for certain the perceptions and sensations I experience now. And beyond what is directly experienced, we can't know.

[Nahm]

@Samuel Garcia

It could be said that ‘knowing’ perceptions and sensations is (investigatively) a step prior to recognizing perception and sensation.

[Samuel Garcia]

 

2 minutes ago, Nahm said:

It could be said that knowing perceptions and sensations is a (investigatively) step prior to recognizing perception and sensation.

I'm not clear on what you mean here. How can we know a perception before recognizing it?

By recognizing do you mean interpreting the perception as a perception? Of course, that would be something added on to the perception. Nonetheless I am claiming I certainly know perception as it is. 

[Nahm]

1 hour ago, Samuel Garcia said:

Nonetheless I am claiming I certainly know perception as it is. 

Well by all means then my man, enlighten me. 

1 hour ago, Samuel Garcia said:

And beyond what is directly experienced, we can't know.

Likewise...how is that known?