why i am not the body?

[tsuki]

11 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

wouldn't manipulating the dream be another experience which would be "enjoyed"

It seems like you would enjoy that, so why don't you go ahead and commit to mastering it?

Edited October 27, 2020 by tsuki

[PurpleTree]

11 minutes ago, tsuki said:

It seems like you would enjoy that, so why don't you go ahead and commit to mastering it?

i'm not enlightened and don't think i'll ever be enlightened on such a level, i don't think it's even really possible as i've never seen it with my own eyes.

Edited October 27, 2020 by PurpleTree

[tsuki]

27 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

i'm not enlightened and don't think i'll ever be enlightened on such a level, i don't think it's even really possible as i've never seen it with my own eyes.

What do you truly want from this conversation?
It seems to me that you are aware of the fact that there's a lot of things that you don't know and are trying to fill these gaps by believing things that I say. Do you think that it will ever satisfy you? Watching other people achieve the things that you want for yourself?

Edited October 27, 2020 by tsuki

[mandyjw]

22 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

i'm not enlightened and don't think i'll ever be enlightened on such a level, i don't think it's even really possible as i've never seen it with my own eyes.

Have you ever really, really asked yourself, what is this? How is there something rather than nothing? How is consciousness even possible? How is that I'm here, seeing this right now?  There's a 0 in infinity chance of you being here now, you. 0 in infinity means it's a sure thing.

Seeing with your own eyes is such an unbelievable mystical experience that enlightenment is just a walk in the park after that. It's a done deal. 

[tsuki]

2 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

Seeing with your own eyes is such an unbelievable mystical experience that enlightenment is just a walk in the park after that. It's a done deal. 

That won't happen if your're not willing to let beliefs go @PurpleTree .
Just experience the fact that you don't really know all of the things that you want to believe in.

Don't think "I don't know". Experience it. Wake up.

[PurpleTree]

7 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

Have you ever really, really asked yourself, what is this? How is there something rather than nothing? 

yup

8 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

Seeing with your own eyes is such an unbelievable mystical experience that enlightenment is just a walk in the park after that. It's a done deal. 

depends how you define enlightenment and at which level if you think there are different levels to this.

and if it's possible to totally let go of concepts why are there not more bible jesus level entities showing us the way

i mean eckhart tolle sitting in a room and talking (and remaining in stillness) seems a bit dull compared to walking on water

[abrakamowse]

11 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

Have you ever really, really asked yourself, what is this? How is there something rather than nothing? How is consciousness even possible? How is that I'm here, seeing this right now?  There's a 0 in infinity chance of you being here now, you. 0 in infinity means it's a sure thing.

Seeing with your own eyes is such an unbelievable mystical experience that enlightenment is just a walk in the park after that. It's a done deal. 

Awesome @mandyjw such a beautiful way to say it. You totally nailed it!

Thanks!

:-)

[mandyjw]

2 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

yup

yup. yup?

YUP? I don't think you really could and just say "yup"

3 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

depends how you define enlightenment and at which level if you think there are different levels to this.

and if it's possible to totally let go of concepts why are there not more bible jesus level entities showing us the way

i mean eckhart tolle sitting in a room and talking (and remaining in stillness) seems a bit dull compared to walking on water

You're missing that the miracle in walking on water is not Jesus walking on water at all, but it is that within awareness you can imagine such a thing right now, exactly the same way it can imagine Eckhart Tolle sitting in a chair. That's the miracle. You. Tada! 

The miracle is in the awareness in which everything happens or does not happen, that comes first before everything else. There is no Jesus or Eckhart Tolle, no me or you, just awareness. 

[PurpleTree]

4 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

yup. yup?

YUP? I don't think you really could and just say "yup"

you asked me if i asked myself that and i said yes i did and got an answer.

[mandyjw]

6 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

you asked me if i asked myself that and i said yes i did and got an answer.

I've never done it, and you didn't do it, and you didn't get an answer, because it is the answer itself. What is this? This is only now. We never asked ourselves "what is this" in the past. That's another trick of the mind, it says I enquired and I got an answer.

What knows is not the mind, or the self. What knows is awareness itself. It cannot be found in past. 

[PurpleTree]

4 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

I've never done it, and you didn't do it, and you didn't get an answer, because it is the answer itself. What is this? This is only now. We never asked ourselves "what is this" in the past. That's another trick of the mind, it says I enquired and I got an answer.

What knows is not the mind, or the self. What knows is awareness itself. It cannot be found in past. 

so why did you ask me if i asked myself?

[mandyjw]

28 minutes ago, abrakamowse said:

Awesome @mandyjw such a beautiful way to say it. You totally nailed it!

Thanks!

:-)

 My intuition told me to watch a Mel Robbins talk the other day and she was telling this guy that he has like a 1 in some ridiculous number chance of being him. So I was kinda like, "woah that's ABSOLUTELY amazing but also uhmm, no that's not right." So this morning during meditation I was like "0 is infinity... oh ok there ya go". So you can thank Mel Robbins and @zeroISinfinityI guess. 

3 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

so why did you ask me if i asked myself?

That's why I said "really, really" asked yourself. 

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

That's why I said "really, really" asked yourself. 

i'm actually not even really sure if i asked myself but an answer appeared and i'll take it

[mandyjw]

Just now, PurpleTree said:

i'm actually not even really sure if i asked myself but an answer appeared and i'll take it

Translation: I don't know if I really want to know but I think I already know.  

Ask not asked. There's no completion, no final answer, that's death. This is life beyond ideas of life and death. The answer is the asker. Lots of answers will come and you expand your asking more.

Who wants to know? 

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, mandyjw said:

Translation: I don't know if I really want to know but I think I already know.  

 

isn't "want" the ego?

[mandyjw]

Just now, PurpleTree said:

isn't "want" the ego?

Absolutely not. You chose the wrong word out of the sentence. You chose the verb, not the pronoun. The noun is always the culprit, if there is one, which there isn't. It's never the verb. Don't blame verbs. 

WHO wants to know?

Who wants to know?

wants to know- awareness

[abrakamowse]

29 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

Absolutely not. You chose the wrong word out of the sentence. You chose the verb, not the pronoun. The noun is always the culprit, if there is one, which there isn't. It's never the verb. Don't blame verbs.

Ups! An "Aha" moment! Thanks again mandy!

 

Lol

[mandyjw]

Just now, abrakamowse said:

Ups! An "Aha" moment! Thanks again mandy!

 

Lol

You're welcome but yeah, that one came from someone else too. I think maybe a Sia song, I dunno.  I owe my original understanding of nonduality to a tree. Oh wait. Giving credit or blame to nouns. Right. Don't do that. 

[Natasha]

@PurpleTree The illusion 'fighting' the illusion - that's how to get Self-realized. Exactly what you're doing right now, so don't say you'd never get enlightened. God works in its mysterious ways 

[abrakamowse]

@mandyjw @Natasha

 

Too much wisdom in this topic!

We take wisdom from everywhere, right? And if Sia said it , it is really us saying it too! Not "us"... in fact, just me... or let's say you! Lol...

Edited October 27, 2020 by abrakamowse