enlightenment is fake?

[Raven1998]

does enlightenment can be a idea.?. is it true,? isn't enlightenment a idea that made for making money and get honor or respect from others? 

Edited October 24, 2020 by Raven1998

[traveler]

An idea of something is not the actual thing.

A phone is a word pointing to a particular form.

The person lives in this psychic dream of symbols, which makes things appear real and seperate.

"Enlightenment" is a symbol/concept just like the word "phone" and what it points to can never be understood with other symbols/concepts.

Symbols and concepts appear within what you are looking for, they are not to be discarded, I'm simply saying that you're looking in the right place. 

We want to understand, but understanding is very superficial, it is a soup of concepts describing other concepts. 

Not knowing is the case already, being home is the case already.

 

[Raven1998]

2 minutes ago, traveler said:

An idea of something is not the actual thing.

A phone is a word pointing to a particular form.

The person lives in this psychic dream of symbols, which makes things appear real and seperate.

"Enlightenment" is a symbol/concept just like the word "phone" and what it points to can never be understood with other symbols/concepts.

Symbols and concepts appear within what you are looking for, they are not to be discarded, I'm simply saying that you're looking in the right place. 

We want to understand, but understanding is very superficial, it is a soup of concepts describing other concepts. 

Not knowing is the case already, being home is the case already.

 

but no one bacame enlightened ?

[Shin]

50 minutes ago, Raven1998 said:

does enlightenment can be a idea.?. is it true,? isn't enlightenment a idea that made for making money and get honor or respect from others? 

Technically, everything is an idea until you directly experience it.

Your mom, a round earth, Leo don't exist right now.

Even your feet, penis, the ceiling, they only exist the moment you put your attention onto them.

You didn't had a penis until I direct your attention towards it.

You were penis-less !

?

[Raven1998]

11 minutes ago, Shin said:

Technically, everything is an idea until you directly experience it.

Your mom, a round earth, Leo don't exist right now.

Even your feet, penis, the ceiling, they only exist the moment you put your attention onto them.

You didn't had a penis until I direct your attention towards it.

You were penis-less !

?

yeah may be but i can see those. but i cant see enlightenment..

21 minutes ago, traveler said:

An idea of something is not the actual thing.

A phone is a word pointing to a particular form.

The person lives in this psychic dream of symbols, which makes things appear real and seperate.

"Enlightenment" is a symbol/concept just like the word "phone" and what it points to can never be understood with other symbols/concepts.

Symbols and concepts appear within what you are looking for, they are not to be discarded, I'm simply saying that you're looking in the right place. 

We want to understand, but understanding is very superficial, it is a soup of concepts describing other concepts. 

Not knowing is the case already, being home is the case already.

 

but no one bacame enlightened ?

[Rilles]

@Raven1998 Enlightenment is the "idea" that the self is an illusion. This is something you can investigate if its true by doing Self-Inquiry for a long time. Alot of people have realized that is the case. But you have to investigate it yourself because noone can tell YOU if you exist, only "you".  

The reason you cant see enlightenment is because you are always focused outwardly, you have to go inward to see that which sees... 

 

Edited October 24, 2020 by Rilles

[Raven1998]

55 minutes ago, Rilles said:

@Raven1998 Enlightenment is the "idea" that the self is an illusion. This is something you can investigate if its true by doing Self-Inquiry for a long time. Alot of people have realized that is the case. But you have to investigate it yourself because noone can tell YOU if you exist, only "you".  

The reason you cant see enlightenment is because you are always focused outwardly, you have to go inward to see that which sees... 

 

im doing self inquiry and meditation for more than 2 years. (im meditating almost like 7 years because im coming from buddist background.)  but i didnt felt anything other than calmness. ?

[Rilles]

4 minutes ago, Raven1998 said:

im doing self inquiry and meditation for more than 2 years. (im meditating almost like 7 years because im coming from buddist background.)  but i didnt felt anything other than calmness. ?

So what did you discover?

[Leo Gura]

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