About enlightenment, truth realization, abiding non dual awareness

[Dodo]

On 22/10/2020 at 5:01 PM, Marinador said:

I like happiness as much as the next guy, but it's not happiness that sends one in search of truth. It's rabid, feverish, clawing madness to stop being a lie, regardless of price, come heaven or hell. This isn't about higher consciousness or self-discovery, or heaven on earth. This is about blood-caked swords and Buddha's rotting head and self-immolation, and anyone who says otherwise is selling something they don't have.

 

JED MCKENNA

This is true

[Dodo]

35 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course Truth needs to exist. It has nowhere else to go.

If truth did not exist, THAT would be Truth, thus it would exist.

Truth is an absolute. It's EVERYTHING. The only thing that cannot exist is falsehood.

Jed is correct. But what he doesn't tell you is that Truth is Love.

The devil says:" I dont exist" 

Love asleep says "I am not false because everything is love". Then love is not love, it is love in delusion. 0 is not Love. Be careful of assumptions. I have seen that not everything is Love, you can see it too. Love allows what is asleep to be, but it doesnt have to. Everyone can actually choose Love, instead of absolute freedom of dreams. 

 

[Nahm]

@Marinador

I really like his wit & humor. Also that passage is misleading. 

[The0Self]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course Truth needs to exist. It has nowhere else to go.

If truth did not exist, THAT would be Truth, thus it would exist.

Truth is an absolute. It's EVERYTHING. The only thing that cannot exist is falsehood.

Jed is correct. But what he doesn't tell you is that Truth is Love.

You’re right. Guess what I meant was Truth doesn’t need to make sense. It doesn’t need anything.

[Nahm]

22 hours ago, Marinador said:

I will hear anyone possesing abiding non dual awareness. Do you posses abiding non dual awareness? Anyone possesing it here?

 

22 hours ago, Marinador said:

I'm just saying that people in this forum isn't obtaining abiding non dual awareness, if I am wrong you can correct me, nothing personal, just I am talking from selflessness

 

22 hours ago, Marinador said:

obtaining

The damage is already done and internalized. ?

[TRUTHWITHCAPITALT]

@Marinador I like this quote. Jed has a way of expressing harsh truth which is hard to swallow for the conventional mind. 

[Loving Radiance]

14 minutes ago, Nahm said:

23 hours ago, Marinador said:

obtaining [abiding non dual awareness]

The damage is already done and internalized. ?

Is not-knowing the way out of the room one locked themselves in?

[Nahm]

@Loving Radiance

(Just to reference up front, we are talking now about the content of the quote and also the interpretation.) 

Not Knowing indeed would suffice, but not knowing is a ‘substance’ if you will, not a perspective, realization, mindset or state. It is a matter of ‘regular’ logic & the meaning of words. Awareness, especially when specified as nondual awareness, is not-two awareness, and the very reason for the specification of not-two awareness is to note there is not someone who has ‘it’, as of course that would be two. Awareness is not some thing that some thing has. That is essentially a reinforcing of the common materialist paradigm, that awareness is a product of a someone, person, or body mind. Awareness is formless and is appearing as the someone’s claiming that have it. 

Saying things like “I have nondual awareness”, “I have God Consciousness”, or more simply “I am God”, is problem free. Saying it to someone else, while knowing there is not in actuality someone else, but yourself, is misleading yourself which believes there to be individuals who have awareness. This gives an impression “I” have something “you” do not. Initially, questioning the intention comes to mind, but with some caution not to be cynical. But, (and again we’re mixing the content of the quote & the interpretation) the fallout, or confusion, is that one is left looking for people who have nondual awareness. Such is to seek, and is ‘the way’, and is not inherently a ‘problem’. However, when such a reader comes across a Rupert Spira for example, and hears an articulation of deconstruction oriented toward that ‘you’ indeed are awareness, the hearing of that message has already been insulated against with “anyone who says otherwise is selling you something they don’t have”. Demeaning someone else, or even a potential someone else someone might come across, sticks out as a means to assert “how woke I am in comparison with you”. This communicates the very opposite of what is actual. It is separative, rather than deconstructing or unifying. So this particular message goes to intention, which is something of a marketing brilliance and easy to appreciate. The intention is “I have it”, “anyone who tells you otherwise does not”. This is arguably the basis of how cults are formed, and the genius how products are sold. But again, I digress. 

[VeganAwake]

14 hours ago, Marinador said:

@Gesundheit @Consilience Jed talks in one of his books about a enlightend friend that get cancer after or in the process of obtaining abiding ND awareness and then dying with it, I think her name was Bred or Brett, I'm not sure

Not sure if this is the guy but he has almost a similar if not exact story to what you were describing... he was very well known in spiritual circles.

 

[The0Self]

14 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course Truth needs to exist. It has nowhere else to go.

If truth did not exist, THAT would be Truth, thus it would exist.

Truth is an absolute. It's EVERYTHING. The only thing that cannot exist is falsehood.

Jed is correct. But what he doesn't tell you is that Truth is Love.

Wait. But if truth is everything, everything being of course synonymous with no-thing, how can it exist? Maybe we have different ideas of existence. Or maybe you’re coming from the perspective of understanding. I’m not, for what it’s worth. Or maybe there is no truth, and that’s the truth, like you suggested could hypothetically be the case (only in the sense that you were describing a syllogism for grammatical purposes, but still).

And yes, no-thing (everything) is obviously unconditional love.

Edited October 25, 2020 by The0Self

[Inliytened1]

@The0Self it is actual Nothing which exists (in fact you are it) not what you think of nothing as, such as a void or empty space, that is something not actual Nothing.   The mind can't conceive of actual Nothing because it is Being.

Anyways an awakening to Absolute Infinity will help a bunch on this.

[The0Self]

4 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@The0Self it is Nothing that exists not what you think of nothing as, such as a void or empty space, that is something not actual Nothing.

Anyways an awakening to Absolute Infinity will help a bunch on this.

“I” most certainly don’t think of nothing as empty anything. Nothing helps. There is only heaven. “We” want to know it’s heaven. Nobody knows this is heaven.

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, The0Self said:

Wait. But if truth is everything, everything being of course synonymous with no-thing, how can it exist? Maybe we have different ideas of existence. Or maybe you’re coming from the perspective of understanding. I’m not, for what it’s worth. Or maybe there is no truth, and that’s the truth, like you suggested could hypothetically be the case (only in the sense that you were describing a syllogism for grammatical purposes, but still).

And yes, no-thing (everything) is obviously unconditional love.

You simply have never been directly conscious of what Truth is. So you are confused.

Trust me. It exists. HERE. IT. IS.

But hey, feel free to deny it. Truth don't mind.

[electroBeam]

19 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

But what he doesn't tell you is that Truth is Love.

Well even if Jed did tell you its love, that wouldn't help ya. 

I think your pointers to Love are amazing. And I would be deeply regretful if I lived in a world where they didn't exist. But listening to your pointers doesn't give you the answer of course because its a map. What Jed's doing, is he isn't telling you what the truth is, but he's angling you with the right orientation and attitude so that you find it, which is very powerful even though he doesn't explicitly describe the truth/love. 

[electroBeam]

On 23/10/2020 at 3:01 AM, Marinador said:

I like happiness as much as the next guy, but it's not happiness that sends one in search of truth. It's rabid, feverish, clawing madness to stop being a lie, regardless of price, come heaven or hell. This isn't about higher consciousness or self-discovery, or heaven on earth. This is about blood-caked swords and Buddha's rotting head and self-immolation, and anyone who says otherwise is selling something they don't have.

 

JED MCKENNA

fucken legend. 

[electroBeam]

On 24/10/2020 at 7:33 AM, Marinador said:

@Nahm Jed Mckenna exists and he posses abiding non dual awareness

????????????????

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, electroBeam said:

Well even if Jed did tell you its love, that wouldn't help ya.

Actually it would.

I've seen many people who follow Jed's teachings argue with me and deny that Love = Truth. Because after reading his work they get the idea that everything is simply nothing and love is just some New Agey bullshit for those who don't pursue real enlightenment.

Setting proper expectations is important.

I even gave you guys a 15 minute magic pill for realizing Love. If you dare to use it.

People say my teachings are all talk. Actually, my teachings are full of the most powerful techniques on Earth. But no one uses them.

[electroBeam]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Actually it would.

I've seen many people who follow Jed's teachings argue with me and deny that Love = Truth. Because after reading his work they get the idea that everything is simply nothing and love is just some New Agey bullshit for those who don't pursue real enlightenment.

my bad then

 

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Setting proper expectations is important.

+1

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I even gave you guys a 15 minute magic pill for realizing Love. If you dare to use it. What has Jed given you?

I don't think what's really going on here is a competition landscape but more of multiple perspectives complimenting each other. Even if it seems that way on the business end of spiritual teaching. Jed also sets proper expectation by ensuring that you don't chase states of consciousness (through his slapping you in the face mentality) he ensures you don't confuse the map for the territory (like telling you that its about truth not happiness). These things are very useful when your ego starts to get that 15 minute pill, get over excited about it, and then make up a bunch of delusions about what the truth is (well for lsd and ayahuasca and those sort of magic pills). Not for 5 meo, but for other psychedelics, terence mckenna is a great example of what happens when you don't have a slapper on the face. Dreaming up dmt machine elves and new realms and all that stuff which is egoic projection of just a mildly different state of consciousness.  EDIT: not necessarily mild, but not as outlandish as what the ego comes up with.

And its not to say you don't do these things, but IME Jed aced these aspects. 

Edited October 25, 2020 by electroBeam

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, electroBeam said:

I don't think what's really going on here is a competition landscape but more of multiple perspectives complimenting each other.

I agree. And I am thankful to Jed for his teachings. I first learned about enlightenment from him. But I would also not limit my students to only his formulations of it. He makes some good points, but he also leaves important stuff unsaid.

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Marinador said:

@Leo Gura I'm nobody to talk about any teacher, but it seems that the most straightforward path is what Jed is talking, burn to ash everything, truth can't be burned, nothing real can be burned

5-MeO-DMT is more straightforward

Also, most people are not ready to burn it all down. It takes a lot of work to reach that point. My teachings are a bridge from normal life up to the point of burn it all down -- at which point you're on your own. Jed's teachings will only appeal to the most hardcore and ripe humans. 1 in a million. And even then, there's no guarantee it will work.