Rudy Giuliani faces questions after compromising scene in new Borat film

[Jacob Morres]

oops my fault. 

[Lyubov]

Leo has won me over. This is a nothingburger. No need to stoop to republican levels of falsehood to make the GOP look bad. 

[Gidiot]

It’s framed but it’s still funny, and it undermines Giulianis image of this super serious mastermind or at least make people laugh at him, you could argue trumps grab em by the Pussy comments were of the same caliber  which were leaked. 
 

it’s not a scandal but it certainly isn’t going to win him any points lol

Edited October 26, 2020 by Gidiot

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Gidiot said:

undermines Giulianis image of this super serious mastermind

Lol

His image for the last 10 years has been that of a decrepit vampire prostitute who escaped from an insane asylum.

[Preety_India]

That Giuliani looks ghoulish lol. 

His name should be Rudy Ghouliani. 

 

[Preety_India]

Andy Signore does a good breakdown of the whole scene between the journalist and Rudy Giuliani. 

And when you watch the whole thing from different angles and without audio, you realize that's its all staged to make it appear like he was doing something wrong and that he just got up from his bed in haste. 

Which is totally not the case. He was simply tucking his shirt in. And the same shot was shown from another angle to make it appear suspicious. Bad move. He simply tucked his shirt in and got back up. That's when Borat storms into the room.

This shows how easy it is to fool people with clever video editing and sound effects and stage things to frame a person. 

Borat was absolutely unjustified in doing this. This could have been done to any person not just Rudy 

The only difference is that Rudy couldn't smell something fishy when the woman was being extra flirty. His bad. But that could be attributed to his age and never having expected such a thing would be set up for him 

Too crass on the part of Borat. 

Not saying that I'm a fan of Rudy Giuliani. But this whole video was heavily edited and rotated through various angles to set up the whole thing and give such an appearance. A clever person wouldn't have fallen for such a stupid stunt. 

Also he was very polite during the interview. He didn't say anything sexual. 

I think Borat is lucky that nobody sued him because this was definitely a nasty prank. 

 

Edited October 27, 2020 by Preety_India

[Preety_India]

@K Ghoul maybe he took that joke casually. But after watching the clip many times, I see no evidence of him doing anything other than tucking his shirt in. 

The whole thing was stretched too far to make him look bad. 

[Consept]

There was a lot more stuff in SBC's series 'This Is America' where it was actually quite damning for the people he 'tricked', the Giuliani clip is really just a honey trap, I dont think theres much to it, conservatives might not be happy with it but its just a biological fact that most men would flirt back if someone they find attractive is flirting with them, i dont really see a way around that. If the girl wasnt flirting and Rudy was being creepy then maybe thered be some kind of moral issue. 

Anyway heres the Trump/SBC clip, Trump is claiming he knew all along, he is a coral genius so maybe he did -

 

[Preety_India]

@Consept Lmfao. Trump didn't give a rat's ass and simply got up and left. No fooling around with him. Trump being Trump for 2 minutes. 

 

[Consept]

4 hours ago, K Ghoul said:

No, in that context/setting it wouldn’t already be just a moral issue, it would already be a legal issue (hint: sexual harassment)

Im not sure, i mean if the girls obviously flirting would and the Rudy doesnt respond, would that be sexual harassment against the girl? Or because hes responded postively to her advances is it then sexual harassment against Rudy? Also what if the ages were different, like she was interviewing someone who was 28 and they liked each other? I dont really see the sexual harassment in it, furthermore she invited him into the hotel room. Seedy yes, but a legal thing im not so sure. 

 

4 hours ago, Preety_India said:

Lmfao. Trump didn't give a rat's ass and simply got up and left. No fooling around with him. Trump being Trump for 2 minutes. 

 Trump couldnt wait to get out of there 

[Consept]

9 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

In these cases, it is more the difference in power and influence that is problematic. The two part can be in a situation of inequality and when the gap is too high you could perceive it as some sort of predation.  Status, money, life experience, and having a grip on someone's career or survival are factors to consider as an imbalance in a relationship as they can be leveraged for abuse and manipulation.

But anyway, imo this video just shows Giuliani as a sleezy man. It is not a proper case of sexual harassment as the girl is sending him sexual signal through her body language. He's just falling for it when he should know better and know its inapriopriate.

It can be seen as predatory and in some cases that might completely be the case but i dont think its enough to just say it is because of the difference in power and influence. I would call a double standard as well because there are countless examples of older women going out with much younger men in the public eye (Madonna, J.Lo, Joan Collins, Lisa Bonet etc etc) but these are never even considered to be predatory, although they could be. Also if the older man is attractive then its not really seen as predatory, a good example is Jonny Depp or Leo Di Caprio. In fact in Jonny Depps case it could be argued, and is being argued in court, that the younger woman was actually an abuser. 

Giuliani shouldve known better considering his status but i dont think its inherently wrong for an older man to flirt with a younger woman, its maybe not advisable though. 

[Consept]

5 hours ago, K Ghoul said:

it would already be a legal issue (hint: sexual harassment)

You said sexual harassment so i was following that up, you can clarify your point if you like maybe i missed what you were saying  

[Consept]

1 minute ago, K Ghoul said:

Lol you think you gonna take something out of context and just throwing around? I also just informed you that I have made my point quite clear already, all you have to do is read through the thread. Making coherent argument and putting in the time into researching before asking/saying something is that much of an effort for you? Or this is you trying to troll? Please clarify  

Everything ok? If ive caused offence it definitely wasnt intentional, hope your day gets better 

[Consept]

2 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

Depends what we understand by power and influence. Power and influence can manifestate through different form and can be rather equalized depending on context. For instance, a rich, educated, senile, old woman can get abused by her toyboy like Gina Lolobridiga.

I find usually both creepy female to male and male to female big age gaps. That's probably because I'm having a hard time finding them to work as I've witnessed as a common pattern an immaturity or unresolved problem on the side of the older person 90% of the time. Madonna per exemple definitely has deep mental problems and have severe issues to let go of youth. She's absorbing her toyboys to feel young again.

But Momoa and Bonet seems to be working somehow. In their case, it seems like the realtionship is quite balanced (both good looking, both famous, wealthy, probably equally mature...) 

And I could probably find plenty of non creepy age gap in male to female as well.

Johnny Depp has became a creep though. His wedding with Amber was a dumpster fire and they both used each other. Also, Leo is notoriously a creep and I can't get why -25 supermodel would still date him due to his creepy pattern. Plus he aged like milk. 

Exactly my point though any relationship can be manipulative or have a toxic dynamic, i dont think thats something thats exclusive to age gap relationships. Age gap relationships can also be healthy as youve also mentioned. So i dont think automatically its a bad thing or its an indication of creepiness or abuse of power. Its easy to look at it on the surface like that but i think its really each individual case has to be judged on its own merit. 

 

[Thestarguitarist14]

4 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

 

Johnny Depp has became a creep though. His wedding with Amber was a dumpster fire and they both used each other. Also, Leo is notoriously a creep and I can't get why -25 supermodel would still date him due to his creepy pattern. Plus he aged like milk. 

A lot of young women would still live to be with Johnny Depp.  Man is a legend.

And DiCaprio is a great actor, movie star, worth $260 million, has good looks, charm, charisma and is a crusader for the environment.  What -25 model would not want to be with him?

[Consept]

2 minutes ago, K Ghoul said:

Just got pissed there for a moment, my apologies ? It’s just that I hate repeating myself, and I get frustrated when things do not make sense/ I need everything to be clear otherwise we can argue all day by going in circles, and it’s  a giant waste of time to spend it on something that could have been avoided easily 

 

No worries 

[Consept]

7 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

It is a huge factor though. Age is not only a number but also pretty much puts you in a different place and experience as well.

Scientist have found that the higher the age gap, the least a relationship tend to hold. Best is 3 years up to 3 years down.

Yes thats fair, i can see how marriages with age differences are more likely to be unsuccessful, but in general most relationships dont end in marriage. So if its not inherently weird and wrong for age gap relationships to occur then i dont see the problem, assuming theres no manipulation etc which can also happen in relationships with closer age gaps. 

[Thestarguitarist14]

8 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

These are all bad reasons to date someone. 

Johnny Depp has huge mental issues (substance abuse, toxic pattern) and DiCaprio has a deep problem of intimacy and commitment to have a fulfilling relationship. Plus he commodifies women. 

You don't date a curriculum vitae or a bank account. 

 

Did not say that they were high quality reasons.  Those are just the facts of the matter.  

You may be right on Depp (though, he has been with plenty of women with mental issues like Winona a Ryder and Amber Heard), though I believe that DiCaprio just has too many options and is devoted to his craft.  He said a long time ago that it would take a lot for him to get married.  He may commodify women, but women certainly commodify him.

Edited October 27, 2020 by Thestarguitarist14

[Thestarguitarist14]

6 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

Well, it is not true.  

Look at me. I am a woman and I don't commodify DiCaprio. I actually couldn't care less about him since I'm not impressed by his personality.

As you say, he's got plenty of choice. His issue is that he wants the 20-25 years old sculptural body before anything else. He's not looking for anything else in a woman but youth and nice flesh. That's okay, but it's unattractive and immature.

As per Johnny, he was doing pretty well while he was with Vanessa Paradis. He should better chose his women as well but his priority should be fixing himself imo. 

 

Yeah, but most women are not on actualized.org.  The majority of women who are stage orange at best see him as the heart throb from the Titanic to this day.

I can’t blame him for desiring to be with young, vibrant women.  If most guys could, they would as well.  Bradley Cooper MWR his current women when she was under 21.  But no says anything about that.  Maybe because he seems less like a player.  Some guys are better off not settling down.  I mean, he has been in long term relationships so I am sure that he has seen something in some women.  But the party does not need to stop for him.

Depp was in good shape with Vanessa.  But he got lured by Amber Heard’s beauty.  He’s still paying for that unfortunately.

[Preety_India]

31 minutes ago, Thestarguitarist14 said:

And DiCaprio is a great actor, movie star, worth $260 million, has good looks, charm, charisma and is a crusader for the environment.  What -25 model would not want to be with him?

I'd never date DiCaprio even if I were offered such a chance or even if he begged me to date him. His 260 million is nothing to me. Good looks, meh, there are much better looking men, he looks old with too many wrinkles, he lacks charm, sorry but I always find him introverted and secluded rather than charming, looks like he is trying to compensate for some lack by constantly dating models, maybe trying to come across as powerful or hottie, but he looks miserable, fake smiles for the camera, crusader for the environment, nah he is a hypocrite celebrity like any other hypocrite Hollywood A-lister, watch the video by Paul Joseph Watson on DiCaprio, all celebrities need a cause to look good for the crowds. DiCaprio has such a miserable looking face that I would reject him instantly, in fact for every model that he dates, many models reject him, once he was very pissed off because an ordinary model at a bar wouldn't take his advances, he was flustered and annoyed, kinda bruised ego. Women aren't toys to be played around with just because some dude got many millions. Those women who sleep with him, who knows maybe they do it for fame. People get accepted for many reasons. Depp is too old to date. So his charm is pointless if he that old. Plus he is losing his looks as well, but I'd say he is better than DiCaprio because Depp has an edgy personality, that punkish personality and he looked cute when he was young, DiCaprio on the other hand has nothing, I'd say someone like George Clooney although he looks too old, but at least he got some flirtatious charm and a nice smile, and holy smokes, look what he got, a very hot wife with great values. That's what charming men land, not a parade of models, that's for insecure men who cannot sustain a relationship, so they have to keep hopping to cover that Insecurity, to make themselves feel better and have some company constantly and not feel abandoned. Facade.