☎️The Lucid Dreaming Hotline?

[seeking_brilliance]

@abrakamowse

2 hours ago, MoreLove said:

Phone bug

I bet you were still a bit groggy and was accidentally image streaming

Edited November 19, 2020 by seeking_brilliance

[abrakamowse]

15 minutes ago, seeking_brilliance said:

@abrakamowse

I bet you were still a bit groggy and was accidentally image streaming

Probably... that's another possibility... mmmmhhh... you got  me thinking about it now...

 

Image streaming.

[seeking_brilliance]

@MoreLove @Michal__ @abrakamowse @Shin  and of course any one interested... 

Let's all set our intentions each night for the rest of the week to get lucid and look into the mirror. If there's enough time, we'll also try and jump in.  Then we'll report back with any results. Who's in? 

Report here in this community thread in order to keep this thread clear for help:

By the way, if you have trouble finding a mirror, when you are lucid, stop what you are doing, turn around and expect there to be a mirror. If this doesn't work don't waste time repeating more than once or twice. Try going into the next room and expecting there to be a mirror in there.

  You have to like... just know... that a mirror will be there. 

 

Edited November 20, 2020 by seeking_brilliance

[electroBeam]

@seeking_brilliance hey! Do you have a book specifically on trance work?

Ive been using Daoist techniques from a book you recommended but its just too complicated. It sort of works but its a bit of a pain. 

[seeking_brilliance]

@electroBeam @seeking_brilliance

Hmm no I don't, I would actually like a good one. I'll see what I can find

[abrakamowse]

1 hour ago, seeking_brilliance said:

@MoreLove @Michal__ @abrakamowse @Shin  and of course any one interested... 

Let's all set our intentions each night for the rest of the week to get lucid and look into the mirror. If there's enough time, we'll also try and jump in.  Then we'll report back with any results. Who's in? 

Report here in this community thread in order to keep this thread clear for help:

By the way, if you have trouble finding a mirror, when you are lucid, stop what you are doing, turn around and expect there to be a mirror. If this doesn't work don't waste time repeating more than once or twice. Try going into the next room and expecting there to be a mirror in there.

  You have to like... just know... that a mirror will be there. 

 

Ok ?

[abrakamowse]

First I have to remember my dreams, at least 6 nights a week

 

?

[seeking_brilliance]

7 hours ago, abrakamowse said:

First I have to remember my dreams, at least 6 nights a week

 

?

No of course not, you can lucid dream with remembering one dream a night. It's just a matter of how often you want to lucid dream, because the more dreams you write down the more dream signs you will recognise. 

But I just found a method that won't require any of that. What you do is wake up between 3 and 5, and don't move a muscle! (so that silent alarm would come in handy as long as it shuts itself off) Don't move and don't fall back asleep yet. Soon, your body will become more and more uncomfortable  and when you get a signal to move or scratch or roll over, imagine yourself doing it. Or in other words use your astral body to do these things. Then eventually you should be able to use your astral body to roll out of bed or any other exit technique like pulling yourself out of bed on an imaginary rope. 

I didn't sleep well last night, so I'm still experimenting with this one. But it's nice because it completely bypasses all the other practices and doesn't seem that difficult. Of course it should just be a supplemental thing since the tiniest physical movement ruins the whole thing

[Michal__]

18 hours ago, seeking_brilliance said:

image streaming

Image streaming? I haven't heard of the concept but doesn't that basically mean focusing on the subtle thoughts which then become more and more alive until dream-like images appear?

That's what I sometimes do to increase dream recall fast.

[seeking_brilliance]

1 hour ago, MoreLove said:

I was interested in that uberman sleep schedule (20 minutes of sleep every 4 hours) for a while and read that the body adapts by going to rem sleep right away. (I don't even know if dreaming happens in rem sleep, got to do some theory)

Dreaming happens 24/7,  (image streaming proves this) but REM puts your sleeping mind (with a sliver of awareness) in tune with it. Well that's my theory anyway. 

I wonder how long it takes to adjust to that schedule and if it's worth only doing in the weekends 

1 hour ago, MoreLove said:

Do you think I should focus on what I am already doing for a while and then add more? Or should I get into as much as I am interested in right away?

Yes probably.  No need to overload yourself and then burn out, there's plenty of time.  Image streaming is a completely different practice where you observe your hypnagogia and say what you are seeing out loud to a recorder. Then after the session you listen to the recording  and let your words bring up the images again. 

This creates a feedback loop and eventually you should be able to close your eyes at any time and see the dream thats happening in the background.  I haven't mastered this myself but I also don't practice it alot.  I do have a lucid dreamer friend who uses this to consciously enter a lucid dream, and he says he can pick which dream he's going to enter by selecting from a line of bubbles, like picking a movie on Netflix. 

2 hours ago, MoreLove said:

Do you know a method on how to learn that?

Off the top of my head, as you are drifting back to sleep, visualise the dream you want to re-enter, (like the place and what you are doing there) and expect yourself to go back into that dream.  If you can hold that with a sliver of awareness until you fall asleep, it should work. I'll see if I can find any other methods. 

2 hours ago, MoreLove said:

Can you recommend an intention setting method or routine?

Sure in

Mnemonic induction. Just like when you are trying to re-enter a dream... instead, repeat affirmations that you will get lucid and find a mirror, while seeing yourself do this.

There's an app on Android market  that let's you record affirmations in your own voice, then play them back on a loop to your favourite music. 

[seeking_brilliance]

@Michal__ it won't let me tag you in the post above but I gave the basic explanation. In a way, yes it's what you said except that's only the beginning. 

Edited November 20, 2020 by seeking_brilliance

[Michal__]

I came up with my own technique (or variation of WBTB) for LDs & APs.

What you do is this: WBTB -> a short Vipassana noting session -> back to sleep. Would probably work better combined with affirmations.

[electroBeam]

39 minutes ago, seeking_brilliance said:

No of course not, you can lucid dream with remembering one dream a night. It's just a matter of how often you want to lucid dream, because the more dreams you write down the more dream signs you will recognise. 

But I just found a method that won't require any of that. What you do is wake up between 3 and 5, and don't move a muscle! (so that silent alarm would come in handy as long as it shuts itself off) Don't move and don't fall back asleep yet. Soon, your body will become more and more uncomfortable  and when you get a signal to move or scratch or roll over, imagine yourself doing it. Or in other words use your astral body to do these things. Then eventually you should be able to use your astral body to roll out of bed or any other exit technique like pulling yourself out of bed on an imaginary rope. 

I didn't sleep well last night, so I'm still experimenting with this one. But it's nice because it completely bypasses all the other practices and doesn't seem that difficult. Of course it should just be a supplemental thing since the tiniest physical movement ruins the whole thing

Ive been trying that all week and i feel like a deliberate insomniac haha. The 2 finger thing is pretty good for that too.

[abrakamowse]

2 hours ago, seeking_brilliance said:

No of course not, you can lucid dream with remembering one dream a night.

Ok, right now I am remembering like 2 or 3 dreams per week. I thought I have to remember (and take note) of more dreams per week to be easier then the lucid dream.

:-)

2 hours ago, seeking_brilliance said:

But I just found a method that won't require any of that.

 

That's a great technique... cool... I have to buy the fit bit thingy for that. I will try it ASAP and I send a report about it.

Thanks @seeking_brilliance  you are awesome!

:-)

[seeking_brilliance]

@abrakamowse ok the only thing is I don't know if the fit bit has auto shut off of the alarm, so you might have better luck with an app on your phone. 

Here's one I found if you have Android phone 

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.harry.lucidwaker

 

Edited November 20, 2020 by seeking_brilliance

[abrakamowse]

8 minutes ago, seeking_brilliance said:

@abrakamowse ok the only thing is I don't know if the fit bit has auto shut off of the alarm, so you might have better luck with an app on your phone. 

Ok, I will investigate other options, I remember once I installed an app that it didn't really have an alarm with sound, it was only with vibration.

It was really good. It is supposed to check around the time that you want to wake up, the moment where you are more kind of ready to wake up and it begans to vibrate. I never had a problem with that app to get up, so it may work.

I had it installed in an old android phone and I don't have it with me anymore, I don't remember the name of the app. I will post it when I find it. I think is very useful for this things, to wake up very quietly without disturbing other members of the family hehehe...

Edited November 20, 2020 by abrakamowse

[seeking_brilliance]

11 hours ago, electroBeam said:

Ive been trying that all week and i feel like a deliberate insomniac haha. The 2 finger thing is pretty good for that too.

FILD? yes perhaps I'll try a combo of that as well. 

12 hours ago, Michal__ said:

I came up with my own technique (or variation of WBTB) for LDs & APs.

What you do is this: WBTB -> a short Vipassana noting session -> back to sleep. Would probably work better combined with affirmations.

Can you remind me what is the noting session?  Does this work well for you? 

[Shin]

Lucid drealing in a nutshell

[Michal__]

15 hours ago, seeking_brilliance said:

Can you remind me what is the noting session?  Does this work well for you? 

You label what you hear/feel/see(including what you imagine/thoughts).

Leo has an interesting take on it but you don't really need a tutorial for it. "Mindfulness Meditation - A Complete Guide With Techniques & Examples".

It serves a similar purpose as ADA, except you can just do it WBTB-style if you don't like trying to stay aware during the day.

Unless your WBTB techniques depend on not getting out of bed this will increase LDs & APs since they very much depend on you being as aware as possible.

Yeah, I used this successfully a few times.

I don't like WBTB but when I use it I always do a noting session because it dramatically increases success.

The only problem with Leo's take on noting is that it can make you a bit too concentrated to fall asleep again.

Edited November 21, 2020 by Michal__

[seeking_brilliance]

@Michal__ thank you, I'll try doing this on a wbtb session. Don't you think it would also pair well with the 'don't move a muscle when you wake up' method?  I could label all the experiences and discomfort that's arising, not to mention all the hypnopompia. And the feeling of lying in a bed and the fan on skin. I've also heard of a method where you oscillate through the senses, like 20 seconds at a time deep focus on each one. Don't remember what that's good for, but might make a good addition.  

That being said, it's been hard to remember not to open eyes or move when waking up. Need to wake up more consciously. 

 

Ok yall, I saw an eye last night. I was practising for image streaming, and I always get the blue electric blob in the middle of vision (which I also call the tunnel), anytime my eyes are closed long enough. 

I noticed that I prefer to watch images with no light on my eyes, so instead of turning the lights off I just cupped my hands over them. But then during the session I decided to try without my hands over my eyes for like a minute or two, mainly because my hands were getting tired. The first time I did this I got a swastika shaped flower, brightelectric blue in colour, and it was kind of spinning very slowly. It faded quickly but I wondered if letting the light in for a minute somehow caused this. I did it again a little bit later and this time I saw the outline of a snowflake in the same thin electric blue lines, but it was only the right side of a geometric snowflake. The other side was not appearing. 

So then I did this again and when I put my hands back over my eyes there was the blue blob (the tunnel) but it was outlined by thin whitish lines. The more I took all that in, I noticed I was looking at a big eye. Almond shaped lids around the pupil, a brow line above that, and I could almost even make out some lashes.  It didn't move or anything, but I looked at it for at least ten seconds. I have this all recorded and thought about doing a image streaming diary but I'm already at half my attachment limit with all my paintings pictures. ?

Now I don't think it's anything important, just cool. It was like I had walked up to a gigantic painting and just got real up close to the eye.  It wasn't in full color besides the blue pupil, but the intuitive impression accompanying had some tonality to it, if any of that makes sense. 

Edited November 23, 2020 by seeking_brilliance