☎️The Lucid Dreaming Hotline?

[Shin]

3 minutes ago, Mikael89 said:

Well, I'm having a enlightenment experience or psychotic break right now, take your pick.

So it's pretty frustrating when others don't take me seriously while I'm having it.

And of course saying that there's synchronicities is a understatement.

I ask because I want to know how is your experience right now, not because I don't believe you.

I don't think anyone doubt something is happening.

[Shin]

1 minute ago, Mikael89 said:

@Shin Sorry if I sounded rude.

It's ok

[ivankiss]

Great thread @seeking_brilliance 

I have a question for ya.

I've been having some wild dreams these days. Incredibly vivid and...intense. 

Last night I became spontaneously lucid. I remember getting out of my bed and trying to turn on the light... and it would not turn on. Also the Sun was shining bright as hell and that seemed kinda weird... One thing to another and it just clicked for me: 'holy shit, I'm dreaming!'

But here's my 'issue'.

Whenever I become lucid within a dream; my first impulse is to escape the dream immediately. I panic...hard.

And sure enough; that's exactly what I did last night. I ran back to my bed, started breathing real heavy and kept repeating to myself; 'it's a dream, wake up!' And so I woke up. Just like that. It kinda sucks, because I miss out on the opportunity to explore these states/realms. 

Have you experienced this kind of fear/panic when lucid?

Also; A few times I slipped into 'sleep paralysis' and again... it was quite terrifying lol. I don't buy into all that 'demonic' stuff... but man, it felt just like that. Like something evil was present. I kinda knew it was an aspect of me...but still... I could not escape the terror. It was truly a struggle to 'break out' - to say the least. 

Any advice? ?

 

[Shin]

When you think about it, it's really funny.

We prefer to go back to sleep rather than experiencing what's real.

In Ivankiss case, he wants to go back to the waking sleep rather than being awake in a dream ^^

[ivankiss]

@Shin It...ain't...familiar! ?

 

Edited November 12, 2020 by ivankiss

[Shin]

Just now, ivankiss said:

@Shin It...ain't...familiar! ?

I know I'm laughing at myself too

[seeking_brilliance]

4 hours ago, ivankiss said:

Last night I became spontaneously lucid. I remember getting out of my bed and trying to turn on the light... and it would not turn on. Also the Sun was shining bright as hell and that seemed kinda weird... One thing to another and it just clicked for me: 'holy shit, I'm dreaming!'

But here's my 'issue'.

Whenever I become lucid within a dream; my first impulse is to escape the dream immediately. I panic...hard.

And sure enough; that's exactly what I did last night. I ran back to my bed, started breathing real heavy and kept repeating to myself; 'it's a dream, wake up!' And so I woke up. Just like that. It kinda sucks, because I miss out on the opportunity to explore these states/realms. 

Hey there! Thanks for calling ?

So it's funny, we've actually been discussing false awakenings, and that's exactly what you had. 

I actually find it kind of intriguing that you have experienced mystical states that would scare the hell out of some people, but are afraid to lucid dream. But OK, let's see what we can do here... ?(just playing) 

Can you recall the exact feeling you get when you realize you are dreaming and begin to panic? Pull it up real quick. What exactly are you feeling?  Can you find the underlying (and most likely false) belief that is causing the panic? I wonder if 'it's not familiar' is really the best answer? If so, that's fine and you'll have to start there. But to me, when I realise I'm dreaming, it feels exactly like home.  really try to see if there's something underneath 'it's not familiar'. 

4 hours ago, ivankiss said:

Have you experienced this kind of fear/panic when lucid?

Only a tiny tiny bit when it's like I can't wake up. But that's rare, and nowadays I don't want to wake up because there's so much to do. 

Ok here's a weird one. I wonder if you met 'a demon' when you were a child, forgot about it, and the only memory left of it is the extreme fear-- and then that's only remembered when you get lucid.  Your fear of the 'dream demon' is immense, but your adult self really doesn't even know what's causing it. You mistake it for the fear of lucid dreaming, and put yourself in an unwanted feedback loop, which ironically works against your goal of dream awareness.

Which is a shame since if you could remember what you are truly afraid of, you might also remember that you can turn any demon into butterflies. 

Nah, probably not but that would make a cool movie... 

4 hours ago, ivankiss said:

Also; A few times I slipped into 'sleep paralysis' and again... it was quite terrifying lol. I don't buy into all that 'demonic' stuff... but man, it felt just like that. Like something evil was present. I kinda knew it was an aspect of me...but still... I could not escape the terror. It was truly a struggle to 'break out' - to say the least. 

Religious minded people think of them as demons. Personally I think they are very archetypal in nature, manifesting as whatever evil shit you can consciously or unconsciously think of.  I don't know why they appear in sleep paralysis. They don't always, but very very often. It's possible this happens because that's what we've been told in succession since the very first occurrence, and so the hive believes that demons come out at sleep paralysis.

Regardless, they do, so we've got to do something about it.

There's some options. Ignoring them can sometimes make them go away.  Luckily I don't get the ominous creepy ass demons standing in the corner watching me. I may have a few times but thankfully none anytime lately. I get mischievous imp like demons that sit on me and pinch and taunt me. One time one was pinching my nipple and wouldn't go away and I got so annoyed, I finally screamed out "in Jesus's name!" or something like that. It disappeared and I was able to get up and go explore. One time it was a whole parade of people, who I understood to be guests I had invited over, something from the previous dream. I couldn't see very well or move, but they just kept coming up to the bed  and bothering me and taunting me. Finally I broke free and was like "SEE YA" and flew out the nearest window, lucid.

That was also a multi-reset loop false awakening  like @Shinhas been experiencing, and in each reset, it was less or more people parading in to bother me. I'm not sure in which reset I broke free, but even then I reset again. Finally I was able to break free and fly over a large lake, and continued to have a lucid dream with gorgeous scenery that I still recall vividly to this day. 

 

 

Edited November 13, 2020 by seeking_brilliance

[ivankiss]

@seeking_brilliance Wow. That's a lot of juicy info! Thank you.

There is definitely something that's 'blocking the way'... Will investigate ? I'd really like to explore joyfully and carefree. And I have already a few times before... I guess it's some sort of a purge I'm experiencing these days.

Thing is; even the 'mystical' experiences I had were more often than not terrifying haha. Incredibly deep and profound... but scary as shit. And not always, ofcourse... Some were truly beautiful and divine. But this sense of 'terror' has been stuck with me ever since I had my first big breakthrough lol.

And funny you mentioned 'false awakenings', indeed. That's a perfect description of what I experienced during sleep paralysis - I'd say. It was a loop of some sort, yes. I struggled so hard to get up out of my bed, and as soon as I would I'd realize I did not actually get up. I was still lying there. This kept on going for a very long time. I did not see actual demons (thank God lol), but I felt and evil presence outside of my window. And at some point there were what I can only describe as 'angel warriors' in my room. 3 of them - if I can remember correctly. They were 'on my side'. It's like some sort of a war was going on... One of the angels was looking outside my window at this evil entity. The whole point was that I'd wake up. As if that could solve everything lol. And I could not. This evil entity was speaking to me telepathically pretty much the whole time. Telling me stuff like: 'it's not going to work, you will not wake up etc'. It was the weirdest shit man haha. I was kinda aware that I'm actually all of those beings... but not really. Was too busy being terrified lol.

Also; when I actually woke up... I randomly kept repeating 'Jesus Chris', too - for a while haha. I also laughed a lot. It was just so bizarre.

I guess the main difference between this dream stuff and my 'ordinary' consciousness work is... That here you have fucking demons and angles manifested in front of your very eyes haha. And they seem as real as it gets. My state of consciousness is also different. There's a different vibe to everything. Usually I am as present as it gets and fully immersed in the dream... but I am limited to a character's pov. Only once or twice have I experienced being conscious of Oneness and acting as One in 'dream realms'. And that was just ineffable. I flew around, weightless, and basically had the absolute freedom to do whatever I felt like doing. Looking forward to more of that ? 

Thanks again man. God bless ya!

 

 

[seeking_brilliance]

@ivankiss wow yeah I don't blame you for being terrified! I don't have the best advice for easing this fear of the beings, it's just something that should hopefully happen naturally. Many times I have to remind myself that they can't actually hurt me. Even though the pinching does hurt, it just becomes super obnoxious and I can't wait to get away lol. Again it's actually pretty uncommon for me nowadays. Mostly it's either my husband in bed or I am waking up alone (in which my husband will be out in the living room or in his office). That shit is real confusing because this dream husband acts exactly like him, but a bit stranger. 

It is a strange feeling when you know you are dreaming, and that the entities are you, and they still treat you this way. ??  We can be very mean to ourselves. ?

So technically this was a false awakening loop, and these are notorious for having fearful elements. Trust me that if you become lucid in a typical happy dream, or enter the dream world consciously, these archetypal demons are way way less likely to manifest.  Even if they do, let them wash over you if you get that analogy. They can't hurt you. And if they pin you down to the floor, go through the floor. Lots of worlds to explore under the floor. 

 

[seeking_brilliance]

Come to think of it... I seem to be, even now, in a perpetual loop of waking up in bed, over and over and over and over.  In a bed, in a body. The scenery can be very familiar or change exponentially with each awakening. It's just that this false awaking loop lasts full days and can get quite mundane or exciting.  

Thankfully the demons materialize in much subtler forms in 'this reality' in between resets. ?

Edited November 13, 2020 by seeking_brilliance

[electroBeam]

I'm actually "in a state" now where I'm constantly in deep sleep all the time. Not sure how that relates to false awakenings. 

[seeking_brilliance]

@electroBeam are you saying no dreams at night? Or do you feel like you're in a deep sleep RIGHT NOW? ?

[electroBeam]

11 minutes ago, seeking_brilliance said:

@electroBeam are you saying no dreams at night? Or do you feel like you're in a deep sleep RIGHT NOW? ?

Both ??

[seeking_brilliance]

Well then, rest ?

[electroBeam]

19 minutes ago, seeking_brilliance said:

Well then, rest ?

What causes no dreams at night dream shaman

[Shin]

False awakening ?

Again it was more real than anything I ever experienced, all senses were more accute, zero doubt I was awake and fully in the now.

Then there is the smoothest transition between dream and waking dream I ever had, from seeing the dark sky to the dark ceiling of the room, thinking «ok I got it now !».

Then I wake up to write this message.

I was so ready to surrender, too bad ???

[seeking_brilliance]

@electroBeam well the common answer is that you simply don't remember any. Some nights I still wake up and try to search memory - - "did I dream? Nope? Oh well" - - - and even though I go along with the thought that I didn't dream, I also know that I did dream and just don't remember. Sometimes  I'll be at work and something will trigger a dream memory and suddenly - - "oh yeah, I DID dream last night!" 

But of course your thing could be unrelated. I think you might be interested in image streaming, which is accessing the dream state while still also completely awake in this plane. It's like observing hypnagogia but to the point you can learn to close your eyes and project yourself into any dream without ever falling asleep. It's also said to raise IQ?

Anyway, when you do this, you may realise that there is a dream going on constantly, non stop, never ending,  in the background of this dream in 'this plane.' All you have to do is tap into it.  Look up image streaming by Win Wenger if interested. 

Edited November 13, 2020 by seeking_brilliance

[electroBeam]

@seeking_brilliance nice that is what in into thanks!

I read IQ and thought you said i dont remember my dreams because i have a low IQ, for a split second 

[seeking_brilliance]

@electroBeam nooo dream memory is not related to iq, BUT the image streaming will not only raise IQ (supposedly) but will strengthen dream memory. Win win. Win Wen(ger) 

 

http://www.winwenger.com/imagestr.htm

Edited November 13, 2020 by seeking_brilliance

[electroBeam]

@seeking_brilliance nice! Yeah ill give the sleep work a break. Once i can astral project into your house at will and see what you're up to secretly without you knowing, ill take that as mission accomplished and move onto dreams at night. For me specifically, its way easier to have mystical experiences and change states of con. During the waking state then sleep. Sleep is fucked. Its hard to remember and its just a blur in the end. 

Edited November 13, 2020 by electroBeam