My Very Good Christian Friend...

[An young being]

23 hours ago, Dodo said:

of 10 years just had an extremely serious egoic reaction as we were having a deep conversation about Truth and he is seriously fundamentalist about his religious beliefs.

In few words: After I guided him to see that there is a constant consciousness/awareness, because he knows our conversation is happening , whether he agrees with what I'm saying or not. (I gave him way more details and clear pointers in our language which are even more clear than the english pointers as its my native language) I also said the "Know thyself" phrase of Jesus as I believe that to be an invitation to self inquiry and asked him if he is honest about whether he knows who he is. 

He immediately asked me whether I know this is a fact for sure and whether I am willing to be open to the possibility that I am wrong. I told him that I cannot be wrong about this, because I know that we are having this conversation and it was the same me that knew my experience 10 years ago, even though everything else has changed. 

I told him that this is not my belief, but a seeing and a noticing, rather than my belief system. I just know that I know, it's kind of a hard fact. I don't necessarily know WHAT I am, but I know THAT I am. 

He literally kept repeating the question, telling me that I don't understand his question. He kept telling me that if Im not willing to admit that I am wrong about being aware, then our friendship is over. I told him that he is asking me to lie to him, because I cannot possibly not be aware right now, otherwise I would not know that we are having the conversation. He thought I was coming from a mental position rather than the direct seeing that right now we are conscious of this. I told him that I cannot doubt this. 

He unfriended me and told me that he feels disgusted and that we were friends for 10 years and I am doing this to him... As if I was telling him something so blasphemous!! What the heck is in that bible??  What is this brainwashing? He wasn't even open to look for himself the experience I am pointing at, he was just stuck on the mental thinking that I was telling him some belief system that I have and not a direct seeing.

We are very close friends from school but I'm afraid what this Christianity sect is doing to his mind, it really feels like he's brainwashed or something. It felt like I put my hand in the hornets nest by trying to show him something that he cannot doubt, because even the doubt is known. 

Do you have any similar experiences with fundamentalists? 

 

PS: He friended me back, as I explained to him that my view is unshakable just like his Christianity belief, so I dont see why he is having such reaction. The previous day he was basically telling me (more or less) how I am deluded because I am not following the Bible and that it is the one and only Truth.

Religions are meant for people who are not able to be aware enough about their conditioning of life and suffering and trying to condition them in a better way. It's not good for people who can think and act for themselves.

[Talinn]

you don't evangelize reality, reality evangelizes YOU! 

although to be honest it's a little silly to say in an argument that you can certainly 100% not be wrong. what do you expect this to do, shorten the argument? 

you should assume you're wrong about everything to continue gathering proofs, right up until the point where it impairs your ability to search for them =]

[Dodo]

24 minutes ago, Talinn said:

you don't evangelize reality, reality evangelizes YOU! 

although to be honest it's a little silly to say in an argument that you can certainly 100% not be wrong. what do you expect this to do, shorten the argument? 

you should assume you're wrong about everything to continue gathering proofs, right up until the point where it impairs your ability to search for them =]

Thats such a great comment really! I actually reflected on this and I cannot say that I can be wrong about knowing I am always aware, but I noticed something deeper, that I am just as much not aware of what I am not aware of. It's like the missing piece to my puzzle <3 I pay too much attention that I am aware sometimes and forget to humble myself that I am not all knowing and there is something more important than being right. I'd say, Love <3