Thoughts on transgenderism?

[Reciprocality]

14 hours ago, from chaos into self said:

@commie I don’t identify with the belief that I am a man. But I identify myself as male if the question arises.

Male/Female as you allude to is NOT the same as Man/Woman. But if the latter two's relative construction is the identitarian's essence, how come you assign identity to those of the former when those are the very strict and materealistic, dogmatic and conservative views one (presumably) wants to fight down? 

[Ibgdrgnxxv]

15 hours ago, from chaos into self said:

 

Trans men have it easier. The hormones from hrt give them a deeper voice and often facial hair. Less is needed to pass as male for trans men. Keep in mind however that top surgery to remove boobs is usually needed to pass as a man.

 

It's such a pity. A point of no return. Once you have make your voice coarse, you can never have your feminine voice again. 

[Rilles]

@myname I suggest you see a therapist or specialist about this, none of these people are Gender experts and neither am I. Alot of dogma in this thread. Before you shoot your mouth of some of you should know the difference between transgender and non-binary. You dont have to "cut" your penis off as someone bluntly put it. This why people need to integrate Green for years... 

Ps. To anyone who is actually well-versed in this or transgender. Im not talking about you. 

Edited October 19, 2020 by Rilles

[Reciprocality]

6 minutes ago, Rilles said:

@myname I suggest you see a therapist or specialist about this, none of these people are Gender experts and neither am I. Alot of dogma in this thread. Before you shoot your mouth of some of you should know the difference between transgender and non-binary. You dont have to "cut" your penis off as someone bluntly put it. This why people need to integrate Green for years... 

Ps. To anyone who is actually well-versed in this or transgender. Im not talking about you. 

The mapping is gender theory, of which non is experts. And the territory is one individual finding its place by means of that map (implying diffusely it may be construction all the way down), this forum may not be a great representation of the map but neither is therapists.

I believe that to be adequatly guided trough this process will draw on reflections in quantities of people and not a few with "authority" seeing how fluid and uneasily defined lgbtq+ identities are.

[Ibgdrgnxxv]

Thoughts on trans genderism.

4. An-Nisā'  (The Women )

[4:117] Instead of Allah, they only invoke female gods and they ˹actually˺ invoke none but a rebellious Satan—

cursed by Allah—who said, “I will surely take hold of a certain number of Your servants.

I will certainly mislead them and delude them with empty hopes. Also, I will order them and they will cut the ears of cattle and alter Allah’s creation.” And whoever takes Satan as a friend instead of Allah has certainly suffered a tremendous loss.

 

 

[4:120] Satan makes them promises, and creates in them false desires(hopes); but Satan's promises are nothing but deception. 

[4:121] They will have their dwelling in Hell, and from it they will find no way of escape. 

[4:122] And those who believe and do good, We will soon admit them into Gardens under which rivers flow, to dwell therein forever. Allah’s promise is the truth. And whose word can be more truer than Allah’s?

[4:123] Not your wishes, nor those of the People of the Book (can prevail): whoever works evil will be requited accordingly. And nor will he find, besides Allah, any protector or helper. 

[4:124] If any do deeds of righteousness, whether male or female, and have faith, they will enter Heaven, and not the least injustice will be done to them. 

[4:125] Who can be better in deen than one who submits his whole self to Allah, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith (haneef)? For Allah did take Abraham as a friend. 

[4:126] And to Allah belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And Allah it is that encompasses all things. 

[ Quran, chapter 4, verse 117-126. ]

 

Back then, people would want to kill their female child. Burying their daughters. 

Those who fears power being taken from them (Pharaoh. Namrūd)  would kill the male newborn. 

Now 2020 , people would actually hate their given self. (But I think transgenderism is kinda outdated). 

Edited October 20, 2020 by Ibgdrgnxxv

[Talinn]

On 10/18/2020 at 8:24 AM, myname said:

Why do some people feel uncomfortable in the gender they were born with?

Is transitioning to another gender reasonable, if you think it makes you happy?

I think a small part of is it environmental factors like people have alluded to in this thread, even I won't deny it can have a small influence. However it's mostly hormones in utero and shortly thereafter. 

Yeah it's reasonable, and worth it (even if you bull-rush the entire process without  much contemplation in my experience). Nonetheless it is wisest to contemplate it periodically in a quiet place and do some research into it until you're satisfied with an answer. You're semi-likely to lose family over it, that part isn't exaggerated, but I truly do believe that the transgender "regret" thing is exaggerated (mainly because people try to take ownership of your emotions for political points and like to say you are "regretful" when you are occasionally just "sad" that you couldn't get used to your "default" body) --OMG i am also sorta trying to score political points here! oh well..

Source: a trans with Kallmann Syndrome. 

Edited October 20, 2020 by Talinn

[Yog]

On 10/18/2020 at 6:24 PM, myname said:

I'm starting to question my identity. I do experience desire to be a female. I conceptually understand that having an identity is an illusion in the first place, but I'm currently far from truly feelings this concept in my bones, and I'm kind of lost on what to do. I'm too attached to my sense of self.

EDIT: More generally though: What is gender? Why do some people feel uncomfortable in the gender they were born with? Is transitioning to another gender reasonable, if you think it makes you happy?

I imagine myself being a woman at times, a bird, a rat, a bug, a worm, a slug, a whale, Mariana trench fish, a sparrow, a bee, a planet. It feels good

There is nothing weird, nor wrong with imagining you are something and feeling right in a new imagined form.

But if you think you are on to something and this is something more than natural imagination. Than I would only advice doing a lot of diverse research and soul-search, stay neutral, explore. There are a lot of sneaky ways culture likes to get you into doing things. This is something only you can know, or discover.

A great start would be to see certified people that deal with these kinds of issues, for eg a therapist.

Edited October 20, 2020 by Yog

[Talinn]

52 minutes ago, Yog said:

There are a lot of sneaky ways culture likes to get you into doing things.

It's important to note that for every two ways Conservatives cite that liberal culture "encourages" transitioning, there are four reasons that culture discourages transitioning. I don't want to get too much into politics here, though.

[Ibgdrgnxxv]

Health is wealth. That's it. When it comes to your mental and physical body, 

you shouldn't consider anyone's perspective but your own. Your own and only. To go under the knife is against your own physical well being. Mentally too. It will cause a long lasting trauma. 

[Rilles]

On 20/10/2020 at 8:14 PM, Yog said:

I imagine myself being a woman at times, a bird, a rat, a bug, a worm, a slug, a whale, Mariana trench fish, a sparrow, a bee, a planet. It feels good

Transgender people are literally born with a male brain and female body and vice versa. There is no imagination going on. Look up the science on this.

[Yog]

On 10/20/2020 at 10:13 PM, Talinn said:

It's important to note that for every two ways Conservatives cite that liberal culture "encourages" transitioning, there are four reasons that culture discourages transitioning. I don't want to get too much into politics here, though.

Me neither, I just have seen this discouragement of exploration happening too many times all over the web. Anyway, its probably a small minority on both sides that creates a huge amount of noise about it. So it appears to us that all conservatives and all progressives are a certain way, when in fact there is far greater diversity within groups than between groups.

3 hours ago, Rilles said:

Transgender people are literally born with a male brain and female body and vice versa. There is no imagination going on. Look up the science on this.

I wasn't talking about transgender people mate. I was talking about regular folk, some that may be suffering from other issues, lets say issues of psychological, cultural, societal, hormonal nature, or other gender related conditions. Some might like to just imagine stuff... and feel good in it. Its surely a nuanced question and should be probably treated as such.

That was my point. My obvious advice would be to do serious and dedicated exploration, see what you get. Stay away from culture or popular opinions.

[Rilles]

5 minutes ago, Yog said:

I wasn't talking about transgender people mate. I was talking about regular folk, some that may be suffering from other issues, lets say issues of psychological, cultural, societal, hormonal nature, or other gender related conditions. Some might like to just imagine stuff... and feel good in it. Its surely a nuanced question and should be probably treated as such.

That was my point. My obvious advice would be to do serious and dedicated exploration, see what you get. Stay away from culture or popular opinions.

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