How do we know there inst anything other than finite expressions of god?

[integral]

"Well, you imagine all the rest. But you are imagining being one way which excludes other possibilities.

To be a human you have to not imagine being a kangaroo.

A finite object is exclusive. A dog is a dog because it is not a cat, not a tree, not a chair, etc. So a dog is a finite thing. A dog is part of God, but the dog is not the highest expression of God because it excludes all the other things God could be. A dog is a partial expression of God.

The highest expression of God is Nothing, wherein all finite things cancel each other out." 

- Leo

 

What if there are other things that are not finite things? This seems circular as in other things would also be a finite thing, but thats not what i mean. All finite things are in a category of things that are expressible by god. So are there other categories? Are there things that are outside of this category? All finite expressions are part of one category, like the waves are part of the ocean, are there things that are not made of water?

I am god of expressions.

Edited October 17, 2020 by integral

[integral]

Would greatly appreciate if anyone can give me any insight on this. I need to understand the flaws in this line of reasoning to develop.

I know im making obvious mistakes, but i cant see it from my level of development, i need someone to come down to my level and explain it. or point to any resources that cover this topic?  ?

 

 

Edited October 17, 2020 by integral

[Adamq8]

@integral Well I think that all possibilitys that you can experience is finite somehow, tho i feel like that it can only be one infinite thing which hold all the "lesser" parts,  hence it is finite. 

The finite is infinite but at the same time infinite is finite. 

Do you have any examples of those categories that could be outside it??

[integral]

@Adamq8 

19 minutes ago, Adamq8 said:

Do you have any examples of those categories that could be outside it??

Its not made of god. It would be an impossible concept outside this gods expression. It is not experienceable.

if this is a god that "divides" itself. Why cant there be gods that do other things?

[Leo Gura]

It's more twisted than you think.

All finite things are actually infinite.

[VeganAwake]

It's even worse than that.

There was never a 'we' to actually know anything...?

[Javfly33]

11 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

It's even worse than that.

There was never a 'we' to actually know anything...?

So who knows that 1+1 = 2? 

The wall?

[VeganAwake]

3 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

So who knows that 1+1 = 2? 

The wall?

There is a conditioned body that will turn its head if it's name is called, jump out of the way of a moving truck, prefer coffee over tea and understand basic math.

The 'I' that claims to be the doer is the illusion of self or Maya. ❤

So the illusory 'knower' is the experience of being the 'ONE' that answered 1+ 1 = 2

Edited October 18, 2020 by VeganAwake

[VeganAwake]

@Javfly33  btw love your honest straightforward and basic questioning.

They are Stepping Stones to realizing you are already home ❤ ❤ ❤

 

[arlin]

@VeganAwake You view of things is correct but this does not mean to not be open minded anymore.

Since it is infinite, consider that maybe there can be more to it.

At least this is the position "i" take

[VeganAwake]

25 minutes ago, arlin said:

@VeganAwake You view of things is correct but this does not mean to not be open minded anymore.

Since it is infinite, consider that maybe there can be more to it.

At least this is the position "i" take

You are assuming there is someone here that knows something.

See it's actually the other way around.

There is an illusory experience there that believes if it gains enough wisdom or knowledge on the subject matter it will understand everything at some future point.

Yes and of course there will always be more for the mind to conceptualize about within infinity.

If 'you' are happy with infinitely seeking so be it, that's what's happening. Just recognize this seeking energy is endlessly neady. Its the carrot being dangled in front of the Donkey effect.

The one seeking here died and was recognized by no-one having never existed. So in that sense liberation is the death of the illusory individual that thought there was something separate to find within Infinity.

❤

 

[integral]

 

[integral]

It was so simple, i just needed the paradigm defined so that i can do sense making in that paradigm.

The core error i think in my reasoning was that it was never possible for me to form an idea that is outside of god. The act of imagining something "outside" of god is just more god. All my imaginings are just more god. Im unlocking more god. I feel like i just regressed to blue. 

All ideas are a piece of god given to me, so it impossible to form an idea that is not god. 

If i say there is a concept outside of god, this is by definition an concept inside god. 

I can never speculate anything that is not god. 

I am god slave. 

Is this it? Am i missing something?  

Edited October 18, 2020 by integral

[Nahm]

@integral

You’re missing the obvious. That the feeling of that is telling you. 

 

[integral]

@Nahm haha maybe we should stop calling the obvious obvious?  

I am god. lmao and i am imaging not god right now. HAHAH Not god is possible, its me pretending/deluding im not god. 

hmmm is this is? lol 

This still does not make sense, why am i alone? Why dont i have god friends? 

oh ok right... this is all part of my dream...

Edited October 19, 2020 by integral

[integral]

Ah ok i am "alone" because this is nothing and everything.

[integral]

On 10/17/2020 at 10:43 PM, VeganAwake said:

So the illusory 'knower' is the experience of being the 'ONE' that answered 1+ 1 = 2

wow ok so its like we are at rest. Everything is still, There is nothing happening. God is everything happening simultaneously at rest.  

[Mvrs]

On 10/18/2020 at 6:37 PM, integral said:

It was so simple, i just needed the paradigm defined so that i can do sense making in that paradigm.

The core error i think in my reasoning was that it was never possible for me to form an idea that is outside of god. The act of imagining something "outside" of god is just more god. All my imaginings are just more god. Im unlocking more god. I feel like i just regressed to blue. 

All ideas are a piece of god given to me, so it impossible to form an idea that is not god. 

If i say there is a concept outside of god, this is by definition an concept inside god. 

I can never speculate anything that is not god. 

I am god slave. 

Is this it? Am i missing something?  

@integral Yes , the word god is very loaded(even tho is pretty dead on) , But think of it as the word totality, all of reality , all possibilities everything, there’s nothing outside of everything , it’s everything it includes all things that ever could be and couldn’t be. Everything you speculate is of course in reality anything experienced is within reality . Don’t think of reality as just human stuff and our universe stuff think of it as all possible dimensions and storylines, to a scary level. True infinity 

[Mvrs]

On 10/18/2020 at 8:21 PM, integral said:

@Nahm haha maybe we should stop calling the obvious obvious?  

I am god. lmao and i am imaging not god right now. HAHAH Not god is possible, its me pretending/deluding im not god. 

hmmm is this is? lol 

This still does not make sense, why am i alone? Why dont i have god friends? 

oh ok right... this is all part of my dream...

@integral don’t think of god as a being , god is just a word everyone is using to point to the Capital U Universe. If there were two gods or a god that had some sort of being to it then something must have created it. That something that created everything is nothing. Because nothing limits nothing from becoming something. 
You do have friends tho and you and your friends are god. But it’s the same source (god) its the same mechanism the same “code” which is nothing .

[arlin]

@VeganAwake understood