What exactly did you experience Leo that makes you so sure you’re at such a high leve

[Leo Gura]

25 minutes ago, actualizing25 said:

@Leo Gura How will one achieve enlightenment then? if its not through psychedelics and meditation.

That is not what I said. Go re-read what I said and the context in which I said it.

[actualizing25]

@Adamq8 But you dont meditate, do Yoga, psychedelics etc. for no reason. You are doing it because you are seeking and doing these practices means you are putting in the effort.

[actualizing25]

@Leo Gura So you mean that a desire for enlightenment is necessary and not only meditating and doing psychedelics? But no one just meditates and does Yoga without any reason behind it. There is always a desire behind every action. So when you do spiritual practices, you dont just do them without any reason. Otherwise you would be insane. If you walk the spiritual path and do the practices I can be sure that there is a desire for enlightenment there, otherwise why would he/she walk this path.

[Adamq8]

@actualizing25 then you have to trust the process and have faith and investigate reality and work on being present,  and eventually you would get breakthroughs. 

On my second LSD trip i got a MAJOR breakthrough and smaller ones when meditating, tho i recommend psychedelics if you feeling stuck.

[Leo Gura]

@actualizing25 Most people are insane

[actualizing25]

@Leo Gura Most people do things without any reason and without desire? I dont think so, man.

[Leo Gura]

@toocrazytobecrazy Your mind is incapable of imagining Infinity. Not from your current state of consciousness.

Anything you imagine will not even be 1% close.

[Hello from Russia]

@toocrazytobecrazy You think Leo is playing games with you, but he doesn't.

He merely points you to a place where your human logic doesn't work (yet at the same time it can work here), nor any of your human concepts (although it can include them).

The topic of a discussion is a super limitless thing and you just can't refer to it fully with the limited things such as words and concepts, all labels and explanations will always be partial and won't do full justice. They can work only as pointers, not as a thing itself.

To eat a mango you have to go and experience it for your yourself, not just smell the slices or ask a friend/read a book about it

Edited October 15, 2020 by Hello from Russia

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On 13/10/2020 at 4:01 PM, Drake72 said:

@Leo Gura I’ll give 5meo a go if it can give me something other psychedelics haven’t 

it can

[Drake72]

@Leo Gura lol you and everyone else are basically saying “it’s real because that’s the truth” without even clarifying you’ve experienced it and that’s just spreading a belief and you implied (not directly said) to the other guy that yes it’s insane to do it for no reason but if you’re just going off someone’s word then you’re just sending people crazy yourself telling them to do something unrealistic like BECOME GOD and saying you’re god is just a random claim and if that was the case you could do godly things like magically turn everyone enlightened and don’t try to say that’s not what you meant god means god 

Edited October 15, 2020 by Drake72

[Drake72]

@Hello from Russia So you know for sure he’s god and you’ve experienced that first hand? If not then yes he’s just playing mind games why else would he claim that? He didn’t just say “oh I’m enlightened” he said “I’m god” which means what is means 

[Drake72]

@toocrazytobecrazy it’s okay to disagree man you don’t have to talk in circles to not upset them if he’s not making any sense then he probably is playing games and even if you trust him why would you want someone leaving you confused? If he’s what he claims he should have no trouble letting you know what you need to 

[Drake72]

@toocrazytobecrazy That’s what I’m saying though he said “I am god” 

[Drake72]

@toocrazytobecrazy If that’s genuine then it could easily be proved I mean look up the definition of god 

[Adamq8]

@Drake72 dude you are stuck in mental masturbation! 

You are GOD to, everything you see is GOD , everything and everyone is Divine, and when you are enlightened you live from that state.

Leo has offered knowledge many years about this and how to reach it. 

What are you even talking about?

This is not a belief that you should take on, when you experience it YOU KNOW deep inside.

And apparantly you have not had a experience of such then maybe all of us who claim to have had awakening experiences are deluded ? you don't know that, but Leo is not the first person to have talked about this stuff.

It is universal, even tho it is extremely rare, you are obviously doubting which i can relate to , this journey is alot of doubting and delusion as well, but when the insight hits you it hits you harder then anything you ever experienced in your life. 

[Drake72]

@toocrazytobecrazy And if he meant something else well not saying what you mean is basically playing games or not making any sense 

[Drake72]

@Adamq8 So you’ve experience it as not just some state and that’s your reality? And no it’s not mental masturbation I’m making sure people aren’t following something pointless and that they can trust what they’re doing because the leader here isn’t being very clear and now he’s saying he’s god which means what it means and that’s kind of hard to believe if that was the case we all could just get zapped to enlightenment that’s what god could do and that’s what he said he is 

[Drake72]

@toocrazytobecrazy He said “I am god” go back and read it and if he does later find out he was wrong then that proves my whole point the blind shouldn’t lead the blind 

[Drake72]

@Adamq8 And you asked what I’m talking about I’m questioning if you can trust this that’s pretty obvious 

[Drake72]

@toocrazytobecrazy that’s the definition of god if he’s saying something else then he’s not being clear that’s basically playing games