What are the high conscious forms of entertainment?

[nistake]

14 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

You meditate and then you go about your day. That is about as conscious you'll get. If something entertains you, that's high consciousness entertainment. Don't turn consciousness work into a crippling obsession.

+1

If you want to binge some netflix or play some video games, go for it. If you don't do these excessively, you'll be just fine.

[Rasheed]

Thanks for answers.

[Byun Sean]

Samadhis and psyches maybe lol

Edited October 13, 2020 by Byun Sean

[That What Is]

@Gesundheit

On 11.10.2020 at 1:16 PM, Gesundheit said:

entertainment does not happen by being slow, empirical, and with the least possible number of stimulants. It happens by doing exactly the opposite. A cascade of stimulants is necessary to override the conscious mind and put it down into low consciousness modes. Then, from there, entertainment can happen, because one isn't aware enough to see the tricks played by the mind, simply due to being overwhelmed, and it's entertaining exactly because it turns off the conscious mind.

I fundamentally disagree with your definition of entertainment. You define entertainment as necessarily being highly stimulating and fast which it needs to be in your definition because that's the only way it can overwhelm the mind and bring it to unconscioussness, essentially. For me, the problem in your definition is that you think, that entertainment can only happen when one is unconscious. I can observe myself listening to good music or watching a good movie and feel the joy it makes me feel, arise in me, while at the same time being conscious and aware of my experience, for example. Have you never experienced that? Also, have you never been entertained by something that is slow-paced?

 

I don't know wether you know about psychedelic drugs but these drugs, in my opinion, also prove that your definition is wrong. If one takes LSD, one doesn't become less conscious. In fact, it is highly probable than one becomes more conscious for the duration of the drug being in your system (and possibly afterwards). But at the same time, one might enjoy music, movies, art etc a lot more than usual (movies might be too stimulating in fact (which also goes against your assessment of entertainment needing to be as stimulating as possible) but every psychonaut I know, can attest to the highly enchanting nature of good music while on psychedelics). Psychedelic drugs like LSD are like a short-cut to a full blown consciousness and mind expansion and yet many things can become very entertaining. How do you explain that with your definition of entertainment?

 

Lastly, I found the way you reacted to @Thestarguitarist14 once you found out that he is an artist rather, idk, rude? You basically dismiss his opinion as biased because he is an artist. We are talking about entertainment after all and art, music, movies etc are all, in my opinion, maybe the highest forms of entertainment (although art is more than mere entertainment). Hearing that he is an artist, makes me personally more interested in what he has to say about the topic of entertainment, not dismiss him casually. Not to offend you but to me, your response seemed to be quite condescending and like an intellectual/spiritual ego trip.

Edited October 15, 2020 by That What Is

[Carl-Richard]

On 12.10.2020 at 7:31 AM, nistake said:

+1

If you want to binge some netflix or play some video games, go for it. If you don't do these excessively, you'll be just fine.

It's essentially about learning to trust yourself and not being overly neurotic about your daily life. If you're doing consciousness work, you will learn to instinctually know and feel what forms of behaviour/entertainment are compatible with that process. It doesn't require you to make a list of do's and don'ts where you end up recoiling in fear if you accidentally step outside the box. Develop your intuitive side and trust your own direct experience.

Edited October 15, 2020 by Carl-Richard

[Gesundheit]

On 15/10/2020 at 11:22 AM, That What Is said:

@Gesundheit

I fundamentally disagree with your definition of entertainment. You define entertainment as necessarily being highly stimulating and fast which it needs to be in your definition because that's the only way it can overwhelm the mind and bring it to unconscioussness, essentially. For me, the problem in your definition is that you think, that entertainment can only happen when one is unconscious. I can observe myself listening to good music or watching a good movie and feel the joy it makes me feel, arise in me, while at the same time being conscious and aware of my experience, for example. Have you never experienced that? Also, have you never been entertained by something that is slow-paced?

 

I don't know wether you know about psychedelic drugs but these drugs, in my opinion, also prove that your definition is wrong. If one takes LSD, one doesn't become less conscious. In fact, it is highly probable than one becomes more conscious for the duration of the drug being in your system (and possibly afterwards). But at the same time, one might enjoy music, movies, art etc a lot more than usual (movies might be too stimulating in fact (which also goes against your assessment of entertainment needing to be as stimulating as possible) but every psychonaut I know, can attest to the highly enchanting nature of good music while on psychedelics). Psychedelic drugs like LSD are like a short-cut to a full blown consciousness and mind expansion and yet many things can become very entertaining. How do you explain that with your definition of entertainment?

 

Lastly, I found the way you reacted to @Thestarguitarist14 once you found out that he is an artist rather, idk, rude? You basically dismiss his opinion as biased because he is an artist. We are talking about entertainment after all and art, music, movies etc are all, in my opinion, maybe the highest forms of entertainment (although art is more than mere entertainment). Hearing that he is an artist, makes me personally more interested in what he has to say about the topic of entertainment, not dismiss him casually. Not to offend you but to me, your response seemed to be quite condescending and like an intellectual/spiritual ego trip.

Well, at least you've given me something I can work with instead of unconsciously trying to sell ideology like @Thestarguitarist14 did. I appreciate and value direct experience and contemplation based insights much more than just ideas.

And I stand by my dismissal of his perspective because it's a deluded one. The thing I said about conflict of interest is very real. It's like trusting the fox to guard your chickens. It'll say of course you can trust me. Why would I eat your chickens? As a matter of fact, I'm vegan too, you know. Or like asking a self-help teacher whether or not the course they've made is worth it. They'll tell you, of course it's worth it. Just buy this one course and your whole life will change. They won't tell you that they're biased or that they're simply sharing their opinions or expertise because that won't be enough deception. They'd have to have a certain level of self-deception to be able to infect you with it. That is if you forget and let your guard down, even for a moment.

Now to your post, you're conflating higher states (or more accurately different states) of consciousness with entertainment. And that is a big misconception. This creates a confusion about entertainment, which can happen in any state of consciousness. The states aren't really a factor. They're like the ground or base or environment that allow entertainment and all other experiences to occur. Drugs only alter your state of consciousness, like you can change your equalizer settings. They change the original preset but they don't create the drum beats (entertainment) of the music that's being played (your life). The music is already playing, and the drum beats occur every now and then. On different presets you can experience different effects. That doesn't mean the presets create the effects, but only make them more audible so to speak.

Also, another parameter to consider here is sensitivity instead of quantity. Drugs, like LSD, alter your consciousness in a way that brings perception to the front and thoughts to the background, so that a few stimulants can create more depth in your experience than a lot more in your ordinary state. They lower the threshold required for a stimulus in order to deepen the experiences. So you don't actually need to have a lot of stimuli to get overwhelmed. A few can overwhelm you on drugs because of their depth. You can eat one cupcake, or you can eat 4 bananas. The same amount of calories.

Pretty logical, huh?