How I Induce Non-Dual States

[Someone here]

@Mikael89 You are confusing the context of experience with experience itself.  Your interpretation of experience could be false. But experience itself is never false by defintion. The experience of falsehood is itself not false. Experience of delusion is itself not delusion. Dig that? 

  

[Shin]

Just now, Mikael89 said:

Ok, great. You are all worse than flat earthers then. Grats.

I didn't say it is flat, I said "how do you know it isn't ?".

Tell me

[Carl-Richard]

20 minutes ago, Mikael89 said:

Consciousness is real, self-evident, and all that. But I can't trust experiences within Consciousness it if I want to know anything about the ultimate Truth. Only Consciousness can be trusted, or it's trust itself or however you want to word it.

I'm more onboard with that. Though, one should be vary of letting this kind of insight paralyze you to the point where you don't know what to do. You can never ever perform a fully informed action.

[Shin]

1 minute ago, Mikael89 said:

No I'm not, which I explained below.

Using the same word "experience" for two different things can get confusing. So you should say "Consciousness" for experience itself, and "experience" for the context of experience.

 

It's 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% sure because of science etc.

 

So you believe in science ?

[Aaron p]

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[An young being]

4 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

What is prior? Science or direct Experience?

 

Direct experience is prior. So?

[Member]

The Earth has a mind of its own just like neurons create your conscious experience.

Edited October 11, 2020 by Member

[Shin]

20 minutes ago, Mikael89 said:

You know what I mean. This is mostly just word gymnastics.

You "know" (99.999........% sure) too that earth is round, stop bullshitting yourself.

Not I don't

Never saw the earth, and not even sure we are on a "earth".

In my direct experience I don't know those things, they may be true, they may not, it doesn't even matter to me

[An young being]

4 minutes ago, Shin said:

Not I don't

Never saw the earth, and not even sure we are on a "earth".

In my direct experience I don't know those things, they may be true, they may not, it doesn't even matter to me

If you see that the earth is round from the space, will you believe it?

[Member]

6 minutes ago, Shin said:

In my direct experience I don't know those things, they may be true, they may not, it doesn't even matter to me

 

Meow

[Shin]

10 minutes ago, Mikael89 said:

Most probable that it's round then.

If you don't even think it's most probable that it's round then you are 1. Either deluded, or 2. Lying, or 3. Lying to yourself aswell.

To think it's more probable, you have to believe something more than something else

Why is it so important that the earth is round for you ?

 

 

Edited October 11, 2020 by Shin

[Member]

Just now, Shin said:

Why is it so important that the earth is round for you ?

+1

[Member]

Earth viewed from space

[Shin]

16 minutes ago, Mikael89 said:

It's not important for me that the earth is round, it's just most likely that the earth is round.

And why is it better, more true, or whatever to not believe something more than something else?

Sigh, let's end this discussion, this is a waste of time, and it's stupid.

But I'm not saying it's not round.

I'm saying I can't know if it is round unless I'm directly conscious of it.

So as you ?

[Someone here]

@Mikael89 I wouldn't be so shocked if it turns out the earth is flat.. Or if it turns out the earth is a fucking triangle resting over a turtle resting over an elephant. It won't make my reality more weird and mysterious than it already is.  And keeping up with this rigid ass skepticism.. You haven't actually gone out there and looked at the earth from above to verify that it's a ball.. So until you do that be honest and just say I don't have a clue. 

[Shin]

30 minutes ago, Mikael89 said:

It's you who are having "rigid ass skepticism" since you reject the mountain of evidence which is saying that the earth is round.

Many of you here have lost touch with all of reality.

Stop talking to me about this shit. Don't give me another bs reply which you, in your fantasy, think is clever and wise.

Why do you feel the need to insult him ?

[mandyjw]

@Mikael89 What's your favorite color?

[mandyjw]

1 minute ago, Mikael89 said:

I don't really have one. But if I have to choose a color.. let's say blue.

How do you know you like blue? 

[Javfly33]

7 minutes ago, Mikael89 said:

Ok then explain this. I'm really curious how you guys will explain this:

My direct experience is that I'm not God, that Reality is the opposite of Love, that I'm a pathetic small limited meaningless isolated separate bounded imprisoned unloved body made of fragile flesh, and.. well, my direct experience is basically the opposite of what you guys claim is true. According to you I'm God, infinite, Reality is Love, etc.

So: since you say that all direct experience is always the Truth no matter what, then all the bad stuff I said above is the Truth.

I don't know.

No, those are just thoughts.

They are far from direct Experience.

[Shin]

 

"I'm not joking"

Edited October 11, 2020 by Shin