Why doesn't girls understand the challanges guys face when trying to attract a girl?

[Preety_India]

1 minute ago, Applegarden said:

Anyway, what i meant is that the bar in society is set where people worry about their agenda and the agenda of their friends and family (blue, green) so it takes some self reflection to start understanding other people's point of view and their agenda, and of course such people are a minority and feel displaced.

I think you mean high conscious love here, if I'm not wrong. 

But I understand why people want friends and family. They feel lonely without it. 

At least at the stage we are at as a society, we still have the blue stage need for security and survival and support. This is very hard wired both biologically and emotionally. 

I don't think it will go away anytime soon. 

 

[SamC]

Love this. Nice perspective.. but to be fair, in order to get to Echart Tollie or sadhguru conciousness you probably would not go about all these love relationship bullshit, and it wouldn't be the same cause no one needs anything from anyone.

What I meant by society is more, it's not someone's fault ( or we are the victims). The fact is however that ass long as we are driven to survive and as long if we are in these loop, we will always have biases. Love is ego, and when the ego is transcended we experience Love with a CAPITAL L aka infinite LOVE.

[SamC]

26 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

@SamC  I see it and I feel bad for them 

I'm empathize with them 

 

I understand men's struggles. Dating is an unfair biological game that is rigged against women and incel men. 

Women get knocked up by men and then abandoned. So many abandoned pregnant women 

It's rigged against incel type men because they struggle to attract women they want. 

Both are left alone in the end. 

Nobody truly benefits in dating. 

The blame is not as much on a woman or a man but more on nature. 

I have learned some important lessons from Leo on dating game that I'll share in the "pickup unconscious" thread 

Maybe it will shed some light on the matter and help to accept certain things 

I do deeply empathize with you if you are currently struggling in finding a wonderful partner. 

I struggle myself as well in finding a loyal man. An emotionally invested conscious man. 

 

 

 

 

I have read it all Haha. Yup I agree, but it's *not a problem* and the nature is not to blame.  The design is perfect just as it is. It's just not perfect for our egos ((;

Nice discussion Pretty India, love it. Learned a lot. 

[Preety_India]

@SamC just call me preety please. India is not my surname. Just my country of origin. Thank you for your discussion. 

 

 

Edited October 6, 2020 by Preety_India

[SamC]

2 hours ago, Thestarguitarist14 said:

The thing is that while women are more emotional, it tends to be more inwards.  Not empathetic.  At its worst these women are narcissists or borderlines.  Basically women use emotions to navigate their way through life.  While guys use logic.  Which is why most guys don’t understand why women act like they do.

For sure

2 hours ago, Thestarguitarist14 said:

The only women who understand men are women who are in touch with their masculine side and actually like men.

I don't think so. The most concious ones may be able to understand. Maybe but I am not sure still.

2 hours ago, Thestarguitarist14 said:

Ever wonder why women prefer to hangout with their girlfriends rather than their boyfriends and husband?  It is because most women do not like men.

This I don't buy though. Most girls love their boyfriends and have no problem with men. We wanna hang out with our palls, just like they like to hang out with their girl gang gang ((;

[Thestarguitarist14]

6 minutes ago, SamC said:

 

I don't think so. The most concious ones may be able to understand. Maybe but I am not sure still.

Any woman who is conscious has their masculinity and femininity balanced.  Same goes for guys.

 

6 minutes ago, SamC said:

This I don't buy though. Most girls love their boyfriends and have no problem with men. We wanna hang out with our palls, just like they like to hang out with their girl gang gang ((;

Eh, most women’s idea of love is twisted.  Most girls are attached to their boyfriend and control them.  And most women for sure have problems with men.  If they did not, there would be no need for pick up.

If two people are in love, notice that they don’t really hang out with their friends.  They are often in a world of their own.

Edited October 6, 2020 by Thestarguitarist14

[SamC]

13 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

@SamC just call me preety please. India is not my surname. Just my country of origin. Thank you for your discussion. 

 

 

Lmao, I always read " pretty India".  Got it, have a nice day preety(:

Edited October 6, 2020 by SamC

[Preety_India]

@SamC thank you Sam and you too. 

 

[SamC]

3 minutes ago, Thestarguitarist14 said:

Any woman who is conscious has their masculinity and femininity balanced.  Same goes for guys.

Fair, but there are concious woman who is not masculine at all who can understand men's problem. They don't have to be masculine to understand it - just be able to take on multiple perspectives. 

3 minutes ago, Thestarguitarist14 said:

Eh, most women’s idea of love is twisted.  Most girls are attached to their boyfriend and control them.  And most women for sure have problems with men.  If they did not, there would be no need for pick up.

For sure, but that doesn't mean they hate men. Quite the opposite - they as you said only hang out with him ( if the relationship is codependent). Yeah of corse, there is a lot of single woman out there. I don't know if that means that they struggle with men though.

3 minutes ago, Thestarguitarist14 said:

If two people are in love, notice that they don’t really hang out with their friends.  They are often in a world of their own.

Yeah, it can if it's unhealthy, but a lot hang out with friends aswell.

[Leo Gura]

@SamC Of the same reason you don't give a damn about the challenges girls face in finding quality mating partners.

Both ya'll are selfish, but don't understand it, but blame the other for being selfish.

[DreamScape]

@Leo Gura What challenges do they face? just like issues with guys wanting only sex, or attraction issues? I really don't know.

Edited October 6, 2020 by DreamScape

[Thestarguitarist14]

17 minutes ago, SamC said:

Fair, but there are concious woman who is not masculine at all who can understand men's problem. They don't have to be masculine to understand it - just be able to take on multiple perspectives. 

 

A woman who has t embraced her masculinity is not conscious.  That’s not possible.

17 minutes ago, SamC said:

 

For sure, but that doesn't mean they hate men. Quite the opposite - they as you said only hang out with him ( if the relationship is codependent). Yeah of corse, there is a lot of single woman out there. I don't know if that means that they struggle with men though.

 

Some hate men, would not say most of them.  
I’d say women have just as hard of a time finding a good man as men do finding a good woman.  The only difference is that women tend to get into their own way more often.

 

19 minutes ago, SamC said:

 

Yeah, it can if it's unhealthy, but a lot hang out with friends aswell.

Not unhealthy at all.  It’s called “the bubble love phase”.  Friends can come and go.  But a true love?  That is a rarity.

[Preety_India]

 

47 minutes ago, SamC said:

Fair, but there are concious woman who is not masculine at all who can understand men's problem. They don't have to be masculine to understand it - just be able to take on multiple perspectives. 

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I am a very feminine woman. Yet I understand a man. I understand their problems. I totally agree with you. 

A woman doesn't always have to be masculine to understand a man. 

It's the inner willingness to understand that's all.. 

No man has ever called me masculine. But I have been thoroughly understanding of men. 

 

Just a perspective 

 

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, DreamScape said:

@Leo Gura What challenges do they face? just like issues with guys wanting only sex, or attraction issues? I really don't know.

Getting raped, for one.

You as a guy don't even think about getting raped. But women have to spend their whole lives worrying about it.

[Preety_India]

 

Yea rape is a huge fear in a woman's mind. 

I can't remember how many times I haven't wanted to date men only out of that single fear.. 

It's not like all men are rapists.. 

But If I randomly decided to approach 10 men or even said yes to them, I will always carry the fear that at least one of them will turn out to be a total creep 

Safety is a huge challenge. 

 

[Applegarden]

51 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Getting raped, for one.

You as a guy don't even think about getting raped. But women have to spend their whole lives worrying about it.

Not just that, assaulted or even being treathened, even a possibility of such a thing. Even letting a new person (males usually) in is a challenge, gotta pass the fear test.

[Ananta]

11 hours ago, SamC said:

My question is therefor, why is that woman seems to be blind to the the challenges that guys face? Is it because woman haven't learned to sympathize to the guys that struggle with this or are they stuck in there own self biases? Could it be that It even is biological and if so - is it ever possible for a woman to learn to step out from her perspective and into a man's perspective? What do you think?

Mind you I have not read the thread, so I'm just answering from the OP's question.

Younger (20-35), child bearing age women could care less about your problems attracting women. It is a survival of the fittest contest and you are either up for the challenge or not. They have to think if a potential partner would be a good provider, father and protector.  They are suppose to be picky for survival of the human race (ok, a bit dramatic, but you get my point).  

If you aren't a good provider, protector, etc then the quality of women you can attract goes down. To be straight, if you're a loser then you aren't getting the hot chick, unless she's dumb as a box of rocks and you have something she wants.

As women age, become more finicially independent and no longer want children, then some broaden their horizons and see worth in the incel types, that they may not have seen before. Many aren't reliant on men to provide for them anymore and many have gone the mucho guy route already. 

So, I guess I would say if your a younger guy you need to work on yourself first and foremost, don't expect anything from the women in regards in understanding. It's a game and everyone is playing it.

[Leo Gura]

53 minutes ago, Ananta said:

They are suppose to be picky for survival of the human race (ok, a bit dramatic, but you get my point).

Yes indeed.

Not dramatic.

It is actually good that women are picky. It encourages the man to be stronger. This gives men an incentive for self-improvement.

The solution for men is not to wish that women were less picky, but to wish oneself to be stronger. And actualize it.

The problem with Incels is that they don't want to transform themselves, so they whine about women being too picky.

[Preety_India]

 

Am the only woman who is not very picky? 

I don't think too much about what a man is doing in terms of survival. 

I try to invest more into true love. Not sure if this a right approach. 

But I always feel like a deep connection is always my top priority, and once I feel that, I forget all the money, status, survival part.

I don't test men much. It's just my thing. 

I always felt like love has a universal language and survival should come later. That through love we can make everything possible. 

But maybe because I don't test men rigorously I also tend to attract men who are more than likely not going to pass the test.. 

It's hard to want true love and also raise barriers around me, I kinda feel that I'm rejecting a man who would have probably loved me more than anyone. 

So it's tricky for me to be picky. Because I also feel like I'm not giving the guy a chance to prove his love for me 

Confusing. 

Damned if you do, Damned if you don't. 

 

Edited October 7, 2020 by Preety_India

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

Am the only woman who is not very picky?

You probably are picky, but it's all subconscious.