Isn't Pickup Unconscious?

[Preety_India]

@SirVladimir gross. 

[Guest SirVladimir]

Just now, Preety_India said:

@SirVladimir gross. 

... Of course. I apologize. Just a metaphor. 

[Jayson G]

@Leo Gura Hey Leo, when is the video on Pickup coming out? I'd like to further add that I've been reading everything you have to say about it, and I'd love to request you to make it sooner. Just like me, I think a lot of guys have this as a high priority on their list. It's weird but much of my lens of reality is colored from an intense desire to have a lot of success with women. Even the money we want to earn in business, has a core underlying motivation of wanting success with women. 

I know you have a lot of experience from your late 20's in this, RSD forums are all dead across the board, and Covid doesn't make things any easier. You might not realize how hard that makes it to come up with a responsible strategy (during Covid) for actualizing this goal. 

Just as recommendations, I'd like to add some things you could possibly touch on: 1) the most efficient and effective 80/20 strategies for success in this area 2) high conscious techniques 3) the best resources, not just PUA, but overall for becoming the highest quality man in terms of confidence, etc. 4) Big picture view of what results we could expect, etc. 

I also understand the value of your really deep teachings, but as you know many of us are struggling to get our basic needs met haha .. Every week I really look forward to your videos and they have been super life changing, but every week I'm hoping there is something super practical, survival need based video that is at the first 3 to 4 stages on Maslow's Hierarchy. So in general I'd request a shift towards a balance towards more survival needs videos. I think I speak for many others, just through reading much of the responses here on actualized.org over the years. 

Then again, you do you. Your videos are pushing us towards the deepest levels of consciousness. I wouldn't know what is possible if it weren't for you and your book list. 

[Raze]

Yes pickup is unconscious, but female mating strategies are also unconscious most of the time. So are the ones the mainstream suggests, which don't even work.

Edited October 6, 2020 by Raze

[Thestarguitarist14]

6 minutes ago, Raze said:

Yes pickup is unconscious, but female mating strategies are also unconscious most of the time. So are the ones the mainstream suggests, which don't even work.

Bingo.

 

It seems like women just want men to be these feminized beings.  Too bad they are not even attracted to that.

[AtheisticNonduality]

WTF even are the comments on this thread?

[Shunyata]

I'm an average looking girl and how do I deal with the fact that even if I make the most out of my looks (quality trendy makeup, fitness, smile, style etc.) I still am not good enough to be approachable by men like young KEANU REEVES or LEONARDO DICAPRIO 

@Leo Gurahow did you learn to deal with this problem? I guess we are on the same boat ?‍♀️I know I need to get out of this narcissistic and childish frame of reference but where do I start? I need some advice bc this shit hurts ?

Edited October 6, 2020 by Shunyata

[Beard]

2 hours ago, Jayson G said:

@Leo Gura Hey Leo, when is the video on Pickup coming out? I'd like to further add that I've been reading everything you have to say about it, and I'd love to request you to make it sooner. Just like me, I think a lot of guys have this as a high priority on their list. It's weird but much of my lens of reality is colored from an intense desire to have a lot of success with women. Even the money we want to earn in business, has a core underlying motivation of wanting success with women. 

I know you have a lot of experience from your late 20's in this, RSD forums are all dead across the board, and Covid doesn't make things any easier. You might not realize how hard that makes it to come up with a responsible strategy (during Covid) for actualizing this goal. 

Just as recommendations, I'd like to add some things you could possibly touch on: 1) the most efficient and effective 80/20 strategies for success in this area 2) high conscious techniques 3) the best resources, not just PUA, but overall for becoming the highest quality man in terms of confidence, etc. 4) Big picture view of what results we could expect, etc. 

I also understand the value of your really deep teachings, but as you know many of us are struggling to get our basic needs met haha .. Every week I really look forward to your videos and they have been super life changing, but every week I'm hoping there is something super practical, survival need based video that is at the first 3 to 4 stages on Maslow's Hierarchy. So in general I'd request a shift towards a balance towards more survival needs videos. I think I speak for many others, just through reading much of the responses here on actualized.org over the years. 

Then again, you do you. Your videos are pushing us towards the deepest levels of consciousness. I wouldn't know what is possible if it weren't for you and your book list. 

Id really prefer if he didnt spend his time on this tbh. Its much easier to figure out on your own naturally than the deeper abstract topics are. Really comes down to throwing yourself out there, seeing what works and what doesnt, and learning while being as authentic as you can be. When I was in that pickup phase the largest obstacle was being to in my head too much and not aware of the unique perspective of the people I was interacting with. Focus on the process of connecting like any friend instead of thinking about the end goal of wanting to sleep with women. Also think about why you want to. Is it for self or peer validation? Is that still gonna be important to you in 5-10 years? My best tip would be to stop looking for strategies and formulas because that just leads to disconnect and anxiety in my experience. Be you, throw yourself out there and learn lol you dont wanna be in your head bro.

[Frenk]

@AtheisticNonduality

 

[Globalcollective]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

 

The guys on this forum are starving wolves who would fuck a hole in a wooden log

 

?? we're wolves in sweeps clothing 

[Globalcollective]

1 hour ago, Shunyata said:

I'm an average looking girl and how do I deal with the fact that even if I make the most out of my looks (quality trendy makeup, fitness, smile, style etc.) I still am not good enough to be approachable by men like young KEANU REEVES or LEONARDO DICAPRIO 

@Leo Gurahow did you learn to deal with this problem? I guess we are on the same boat ?‍♀️I know I need to get out of this narcissistic and childish frame of reference but where do I start? I need some advice bc this shit hurts ?

Maybe get a job in film if you want movie stars to hit on you. I use to work in film and some well known actors use to hit on my female friends all the time ? pain in the ass ahah

but honestly just work on growing in couniousness and you'll be a rare jewel 

[Leo Gura]

9 hours ago, Etherial Cat said:

Yeah. But it's 2020, most women nowadays feel liberated enough to talk about who they fucked with their gfs. Even if I caught some of them lying to hide what happened the other night .

Nah... women will always downplay their numbers because it increases your value.

Your friend who fucked 55 dudes will never tell that to her future husband.

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A good friend of mine told me she fucked 55 guys, and this was 2 years ago.  We both gasped at each others number.

So why are you rebuking me for the cock carousel? There it is.

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Yeah, but its compensated by the fact that as a woman you are essentially stimulated by emotions and most of these 99% guys you meet won't do it.

So you can end up pretty much as miserable as an Incel.

I totally get that.

Men and women both struggle, just in asymmetrical ways. That's my whole point. Neither side has it easy.

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Since when are you not trying to reach for the extraordinary, good quality life?

I'm all for it. I promote conscious relationships. But I am also realistic about how survival works.

7 hours ago, shamaanitar said:

I understand that this is what you wished women would be. Just as, from a female perspective, we would wish men to be looking for love, something deeper etc. You are asking us, women, to try to see this from a male perspective. Yet you are trying to push your experience as a male into the experience of a woman by comments like this.

Please note that comments like this devalue your teaching which I find highly valuable. Reading comments like this show you in a rather unattractive, unintelligent, misogynistic light. This comment said to a woman in real life, could be considered sexual harassment. You are adding to the problem. Please be more aware.

Statiatical surveys show that women consistently downplay their number of sexual partners, just as guys upplay theirs.

Don't take it personal. I didn't slut-shame anyone here. I merely said I won't blindly trust a woman's self-reported numbers. I'm not a fool. Women play games too. Your game is playing coy.

2 hours ago, Shunyata said:

I'm an average looking girl and how do I deal with the fact that even if I make the most out of my looks (quality trendy makeup, fitness, smile, style etc.) I still am not good enough to be approachable by men like young KEANU REEVES or LEONARDO DICAPRIO

Haha! And how do I deal with the fact that I wasn't born with a foot-long cock and a perfectly muscular body that would allow me to be a world-class porn star?

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@Leo Gurahow did you learn to deal with this problem? I guess we are on the same boat ?‍♀️I know I need to get out of this narcissistic and childish frame of reference but where do I start? I need some advice bc this shit hurts ?

You can raise your value but only so far. Genetics is a big factor.

You ain't ever gonna land Leonardo De Caprio. Just like I will never land a supermodel.

Tough titty.

But here's the silver lining: you can find someone near your level of sexual value.

You deal with it by loving who you are regardless of who you are.

[AtheisticNonduality]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You ain't ever gonna land Leonardo De Caprio. Just like I will never land a supermodel.

Tough.

But here's the silver lining: you can find someone near your level of sexual value.

Not with that amount of confidence.

[vizual]

@Leo Gura  I disagree. There are a lot of "ugly" guys that are with hot women, and no, they aren't necessarily rich or have extraordinary social status. I'm a below average looking guy myself(I would say for sure), yet I have been with very hot women that guys drool over. And I still get interest from a lot of other hot women. 

Maybe it also comes with the mindset as I don't really care that much about a women looks. Most important to me is her personality. Which differentiates me from most guys as most guys do care most about a female's looks. 

[Joel3102]

@Leo Gura In one way men have it harder in the sense that they can’t easily get sex. However the silver lining of being a guy is there’s a lot you can do to increase your value (practice social skills, go to the gym, make money etc). Women are more genetically limited in their value, they mainly need to make sure they’re not overweight. 

[vizual]

@Truthwillwin The media is all about generating clicks and the social sciences are all about doing populist "research" so they can generate funding + gaining notoriety. There have been many "scientists" in the social sciences that have been exposed for skewing and fabricating results. 

[Proserpina]

10 minutes ago, Joel3102 said:

@Leo Gura In one way men have it harder in the sense that they can’t easily get sex. However the silver lining of being a guy is there’s a lot you can do to increase your value (practice social skills, go to the gym, make money etc). Women are more genetically limited in their value, they mainly need to make sure they’re not overweight. 

Women have an easier time finding sex and they frequently don't need a sexual partner at all.

[Jacob Morres]

 

44 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Just like I will never land a supermodel.

Why not? I'm sure you could 

Regular puas do it 

Edited October 7, 2020 by Jacob Morres

[Leo Gura]

45 minutes ago, vizual said:

@Leo Gura  I disagree. There are a lot of "ugly" guys that are with hot women, and no, they aren't necessarily rich or have extraordinary social status. I'm a below average looking guy myself(I would say for sure), yet I have been with very hot women that guys drool over. And I still get interest from a lot of other hot women. 

Maybe it also comes with the mindset as I don't really care that much about a women looks. Most important to me is her personality. Which differentiates me from most guys as most guys do care most about a female's looks. 

A supermodel is a lot more than just a hot girl. She has fame, status, and millions of dollars.

Yeah, I could bang a hot nobody girl. But landing an actual supermodel is a very different matter. She's not gonna date a guy who's not at least a millionaire.

Celebrity dating is a whole nother league, son.

BTW, I once went on a date with the 75th top ranked Russian pro tennis star. She was buying BMWs with cash and she was smoking hot. Her body was incredible. But we didn't get along so I never got the chance to sleep with her. But I got real close. If our personalities were more aligned it would have happened.

So yeah, even a guy with my looks can attract hot girls. But it requires game. It ain't gonna happen "naturally".

[vizual]

 

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

A supermodel is a lot more than just a hot girl. She has fame, status, and millions of dollars.

Yeah, I could bang a hot nobody girl. But landing an actual supermodel is a very different matter. She's not gonna date a guy who's not at least a millionaire.

Celebrity dating is a whole nother league, son.

BTW, I once went on a date with the 75th top ranked Russian pro tennis star. She was buying BMWs with cash and she was smoking hot. Her body was incredible. But we didn't get along so I never got the chance to sleep with her. But I got real close. If our personalities were more aligned it would have happened.

So yeah, even a guy with my looks can attract hot girls. But it requires game. It ain't gonna happen "naturally".

 

I guess, I have been with an "instagram model" with 100k+ followers, never with an actual celebrity or "supermodel". But anyway, I don't really see the appeal. Just the fact that you have status, fame and money doesn't mean shit to me if you have a shitty personality. Does it really make you happy to "land" a supermodel? This has always confused me.