Leo, what is your view on porn and masturbation when pursuing higher conciousness?

[Rasheed]

@ajai People who watch porn, don’t even think that much, to decide ethical or not.

[ajai]

14 minutes ago, Rolo said:

@Leo Gura like art?

yes sir without a doubt.....

If you know....you know rt......?

[ajai]

3 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

I like Vixen and Blacked 

it’s high quality and they have decent work place standards 

Brooo.......

1 minute ago, Rasheed said:

@ajai People who watch porn, don’t even think that much, to decide ethical or not.

That's why we talkin' you see we are not people 

[Martin123]

Hmm... to call an addiction you have and label it as art is a genius way to rationalize why you should keep doing it

 

this is getting Charlie-sheen like... you gotta ‘party’ responsibly!! Winning!!!! 
 

no, there is no such thing as ‘responsible porn’, not because porn is bad but because if you use rationalisations why it’s fine you’re manipulating yourself to keep yourself from the inevitability of change.

 

porn isn’t ‘bad’, it’s just not helpful. And it doesn’t even matter whether you watch it or not, it matters whether you’re rationalising it as something that’s fine or ‘art’ because that’s a manipulation to keep yourself from feeling bad about the addiction you have and therefore a form of avoidance.

 

Is masturbation bad ? No it’s wonderful.

 

Is porn bad ? No, but it’s an addictive pattern that recycles old energy in your field and allows avoidance to be perpetuated.

 

Are you bad for watching porn ? No, you’re not bad, you just have an addiction or a tendency towards an addictive pattern. There’s no need to feel bad about it, but there’s also no need to label it as anything BUT an addiction because then you’re out of touch with reality.

 

Is porn art ? I mean sure... but using it as a rationalisation why it’s ‘good and totally fine’, is manipulative. It’s one thing to manipulate yourself with saying that to yourself, it’s another thing to manipulate other people by trying to convince them that your addiction actually isn’t an addiction. 
 

‘I am not addicted to cocaine, I just create beautiful spiritual mandalas on the table with this godlike white powder and then in honour of the Buddhist tradition I destroy them with my nose... it’s spiritual artistry.’

 

... you wouldn’t say that, but you do use the same defence mechanisms with pornographers.

 

I think that’s the last thing I have to say aBout this, I expressed all that I wanted to.

 

Love to all! 

[ajai]

5 minutes ago, Martin123 said:

Is porn art ? 

p̶o̶r̶n̶ nudity

BIG DIFFERENCE

[Martin123]

@ajai sure. That one word in my entire post is the big difference we’re making here... you truly mad a point sir!!! Ps: Sarcasm alert.

[Thestarguitarist14]

27 minutes ago, Rasheed said:

No

Watch that film.  That is what Leo is talking about when he talks about porn with artistry.  
 

Though, that kind of porn does not exist anymore since porn went to digital.

Edited October 5, 2020 by Thestarguitarist14

[Chives99]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You guys are so obsessed with porn and fapping. More than me.

Most of us are 90's babies, when we hit puberty thats when the Tsunami of online porn came in, Your generation had to steal your dads playboys and that was it

Edited October 5, 2020 by Chives99

[Michael569]

12 hours ago, lmfao said:

In practice I don't do nofap. I do "less fap" 

Helps to preserve sanity as well

[Leo Gura]

4 hours ago, Chives99 said:

Most of us are 90's babies, when we hit puberty thats when the Tsunami of online porn came in, Your generation had to steal your dads playboys and that was it

I was surfing that 90's Tsunami of online porn. Trust me.

Do you even know what a porn storm is?

[Dryas]

7 hours ago, Rasheed said:

What is good porn? Define it. We do not know. You are speaking way too abstract.

There is literally psychedelic porn. Look it up, its on pornhub.

Edited October 5, 2020 by Dryas

[SamC]

Lmao psychadelic porn. Now I understand what Leo means by high quality porn hahahah

 

 

Edited October 5, 2020 by SamC

[Chives99]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I was surfing that 90's Tsunami of online porn. Trust me.

Do you even know what a porn storm is?

Sure there was porn but it wasn't everywhere and most people didn't get online to the 2000's. A soon as I hit 11 that was my first encounter of sex mostly online porn everywhere . Probably done some damage where I could have learned interacting with girls when I was a bit older 

[Bjorgan]

 

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Must daddy Leo tie your hands behind your back?

Is nobody going to touch this??? 

Edited October 5, 2020 by Bjorgan

[Chives99]

27 minutes ago, Bjorgan said:

 

Is nobody going to touch this??? 

They Might like that ?

[M4sti]

Hello people, happy to be here again with you after finishing my military duty. 

I am looking forward at being very active from now on, man it feels good to be free again. 

A bit dissapointed with the level of discussion in this post to be honest, i was expecting a better reward after having to deal with insanely close-minded people for 9 months. So i am not gonna go easy on you. 

Introverted intuition produces magic with this topic i am excited. so many paradigms you can explore this from , and a heavy percentage of them has the NoFap antiporn movement losing bigtime. 

And you lose not because you do not watch or do not masturbate. This could easily be a win as easy as i wont ever challenge you for not liking chocolate the way do. 

You lose because : 

1) You push your paradigm as a global undeniable truth that we all must follow when you have absolutely no real evidence for your claims. 

2) You have zero tolerence and respect for any in-between situation when that in-between range is HUGE. ( consuming massive or very low or mediocre amounts, reasons for consuming, psychological states when consuming, purpose of consuming,  quality of consuming, subject of consuming(age,health,culture, etc) ).

Quality  porn reveals to you a game, it is like you watch an advertise for a paradise-like place, but if you have 10$ in your pocket and can not buy the trip you might start rationalising, it is a bad place to go because ?

And maybe you can not tame the dragon, can not go to the magic islands and all you do is well, what most people always do, wanting others to  fail too so you wont feel as bad, or just you not being confident enough and the way you feel more confident is by having masses agree with you,but do you respect the truth that way? 

And there is so much at porn to put it all together in one category, for example i never watch other men banging ladies, i feel that it is not art, and i can not produce higher consciousness from it. 

Audio with guided hands free orgasm while in trance is art. Nudity  is art, sweet angel telling you how to masturbate is art, and these stuff produce insanely good orgasms if you let go and do not have negative beliefs, and you can do all of them with real partners too. Your dopamine tank refreshes pretty good within a few days if you are healthy sleep well. And meditation is the ultimate tool.

If you have all  these negative beliefs around porn sex or masturbation hey , can you imagine how you gonna feel after taking the action? 

Maybe the same way you feel after eating a whole cake when you are on a diet?

 You are self sabotaging, mentaly harassing your own selves. Devil so smart, always one level ahead that little bastard. 

Here in Greece we have this saying "Drugs are not bad, you are the junkie." 

We all here know the Positive use and powers of drugs yeah? 

We all know what happens when we consume just to consume ,and doing it daily,  without being mindfull without any purpose any preparation, and we all know the difference of quality. The worse drugs just kill you slowly and do nothing more nothing less. 

Porn can be the same. Of course overconsuming mindlessly will make you a zompie like low consciousness existence.And of course there are ways to experiment and enjoy it to the maximum. 

Big ego's always want to polarize everything, the same way it wants a fake duality god just for it, you hear "Balance maybe? " and a little voice inside you goes, "ARGH NOOOOO,......... me full max super ultra conscious GOD" 

 

 

 

 

[Origins]

I don't watch porn. Imagination. But even then, these days I've now reached the point where I can transmute my inner energies to heightened self awareness which translates into higher regulation of those energies top down.

Meaning I prefer sex over masturbation altogether, and these days I'm looking for more meaningful relationships. I've still got a lot to learn about relationships with women, but I'm ahead of the game in many respects but that is sort of meaningless to me now these days as well, I'm far behind the personal game of relationships I want to be playing and I'm not talking about Game by Strauss. I find that whole thing totally absurd. You have to learn about human biology and psychology when it comes to relationships but be a scientist and artist, these guys are far, far from that at least with respect to what they teach (probably because they know they're not talking to very bright people) so create your own goals and seek your own mastery there. This is the problem with comparisons. 

[Leo Gura]

6 hours ago, Chives99 said:

Sure there was porn but it wasn't everywhere

It has always been the case that 50% of the internet was porn. The only thing that's changed is the quality of the video has increased.

There was enough porn online in the 90's for a lifetime of jerking off.

[Edogowa Conan]

@Leo Gura Isn’t 50% an overestimate?

[Girzo]

@Edogowa Conan you mean an underestimate? xdd