Leo, what is your view on porn and masturbation when pursuing higher conciousness?

[SamC]

My intuition is telling me; porn and masturbation creates more suffering and is not something that goes well, with spirituality. This, because it sets us in a low state of consciousness. However... we often talk about balance in personal development, and a lot of people say that you could and sometimes would benefit do it in moderation. 

This mindset was the reason that I myself relapsed - I thought I could do it, just moderately... without porn. But Guess what, the map is not the territory. If I do it once - it opens up the door to do it twice, and to do it with porn. Self deception baby..

My question is therefor, is it better to just stop doing it all together or find a way to strongly strongly limit it?  Is moderate masturbation something that one should strive for or completly avoid if you seek truth and higher conciousness? 

@Leo Gura

 

Edited October 2, 2020 by SamC

[LfcCharlie4]

I recommend these books- 

The Muktiorgasmic Man by Mantak Chia 

Your Brain On Porn by Gary Wilson

Cupids Poisoned Arrow by Marnia Robinson

Ive recently been asking these questions myself and have been astounded at what I’ve found. 
 

you certainly don’t need to give up anything to awaken, you could awaken while eating Maccies every night & drinking Coke, but is that, relatively speaking, going to lead to the highest quality of life & optimum rate of development? 
 

Also, these books do not advocate repression, far from it. They just offer advice for the healthiest ways of expression sexually.

[bobbyward]

You dont have to do semen retention to awaken, but it will help. More of a good thing doesnt necessarily mean better. Ejaculationing once every 2 weeks works well for me. Excessive ejectionition will make waking up harder. 

[Danioover9000]

@SamC

10 hours ago, SamC said:

My intuition is telling me; porn and masturbation creates more suffering and is not something that goes well, with spirituality. This, because it sets us in a low state of consciousness. However... we often talk about balance in personal development, and a lot of people say that you could and sometimes would benefit do it in moderation. 

This mindset was the reason that I myself relapsed - I thought I could do it, just moderately... without porn. But Guess what, the map is not the territory. If I do it once - it opens up the door to do it twice, and to do it with porn. Self deception baby..

My question is therefor, is it better to just stop doing it all together or find a way to strongly strongly limit it?  Is moderate masturbation something that one should strive for or completly avoid if you seek truth and higher conciousness? 

@Leo Gura

 

   I'll save you the trouble. My intuition, on this area of life of Leo, from the etheric realms I downloaded, has shown me this:  Leo is addicted to having sexual releases still, from pornography and from his gf. Also, your body is different from his, so your needs will vary. I would suggest to listen to your own feeling and intuition, which is more challenging to do? Do that action instead. For example, for me, I feel it's correct to be more serious on Nofap and semen retention, because that intuitively felt more challenging. More challenging = more growth.

[SamC]

16 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@SamC

   I'll save you the trouble. My intuition, on this area of life of Leo, from the etheric realms I downloaded, has shown me this:  Leo is addicted to having sexual releases still, from pornography and from his gf. Also, your body is different from his, so your needs will vary. I would suggest to listen to your own feeling and intuition, which is more challenging to do? Do that action instead. For example, for me, I feel it's correct to be more serious on Nofap and semen retention, because that intuitively felt more challenging. More challenging = more growth.

This??

[wk197]

Leo is gooning at beautiful women to put it bluntly. its amusing considering for how anti porn anti masturbation this place can get sometimes.

[SamC]

 

6 hours ago, LfcCharlie4 said:

I recommend these books- 

The Muktiorgasmic Man by Mantak Chia 

Your Brain On Porn by Gary Wilson

Cupids Poisoned Arrow by Marnia Robinson

Ive recently been asking these questions myself and have been astounded at what I’ve found. 
 

you certainly don’t need to give up anything to awaken, you could awaken while eating Maccies every night & drinking Coke, but is that, relatively speaking, going to lead to the highest quality of life & optimum rate of development? 
 

Also, these books do not advocate repression, far from it. They just offer advice for the healthiest ways of expression sexually.

Thanks bro! Will look into it

[Danioover9000]

6 minutes ago, wk197 said:

Leo is gooning at beautiful women to put it bluntly. its amusing considering for how anti porn anti masturbation this place can get sometimes.

   For those who don't know what this means:

'[Gooning] may be most simply defined as that state usually achieved after a prolonged [edging] session, when a man becomes completely hypnotized by the feeling radiating his penis.'

   Personally, I'd advice against this, because this leads to blue balls, which is swelling of the testicular tubes from both the blood flow of a fully erect penis which sometimes causes the coloring commonly of bluish color, and the testicular chambers filling with seminal fluid. This, in short, causes cramping sensations that can last from 30 mins up to 2-4 hours, and rarely more.

 

Edited October 2, 2020 by Danioover9000

[Lyubov]

3 hours ago, wk197 said:

Leo is gooning at beautiful women to put it bluntly. its amusing considering for how anti porn anti masturbation this place can get sometimes.

Yeah, I don't think most porn is a problem. There is some low quality porn where devils are cheating the actresses and providing really poor work environments but studios with good reputations are providing a very exciting form of entertainment for adults. I love porn lol.

[SamC]

8 hours ago, Lyubov said:

Yeah, I don't think most porn is a problem. There is some low quality porn where devils are cheating the actresses and providing really poor work environments but studios with good reputations are providing a very exciting form of entertainment for adults. I love porn lol.

I really don't think so, but maybe! Porn is always low conciosness. You're tricking yourself that you have sex. Self deception...

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, SamC said:

Porn is always low conciosness. You're tricking yourself that you have sex. Self deception

[insert Picard facepalm]

[Michael569]

13 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

[Gooning] may be most simply defined as that state usually achieved after a prolonged [edging] session, when a man becomes completely hypnotized by the feeling radiating his penis.'

Found the article. It continues as follows: " As the man keeps edging and thus keeps experiencing intense pleasure, he enters a state of trance where his mind intimately merges with his cock : the gooning state, where he and his dick become one."

[Danioover9000]

@Michael569

2 hours ago, Michael569 said:

Found the article. It continues as follows: " As the man keeps edging and thus keeps experiencing intense pleasure, he enters a state of trance where his mind intimately merges with his cock : the gooning state, where he and his dick become one."

  I'd advice against this, because this leads to blue balls, which is swelling of the testicular tubes from both the blood flow of a fully erect penis which sometimes causes the coloring commonly of bluish color, and the testicular chambers filling with seminal fluid. This causes cramping sensations that can last from 30 mins up to 2-4 hours, and rarely more. Sometimes the pain is so intense you do need to either ejaculate to relieve pressure, or lay on bed and sleep it off.

   On the other hand, it's a nice cheat to experience a Samadhi of your dick. Probably the phallic structures in Yoga are from this.

[Michael569]

24 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

I'd advice against this, because this leads to blue balls, which is swelling of the testicular tubes from both the blood flow of a fully erect penis which sometimes causes the coloring commonly of bluish color, and the testicular chambers filling with seminal fluid. This causes cramping sensations that can last from 30 mins up to 2-4 hours, and rarely more. Sometimes the pain is so intense you do need to either ejaculate to relieve pressure, or lay on bed and sleep it off.

it's not something I've ever tried or probably will anytime soon but thanks for warning I don't know how much I believe this thou, your testicles only produce about 10% of the ejaculate, the sperma, the rest is made of other liquids and of prostatic secretions, you can't just have a retrograde flow from edging. Any pre-cum is mostly just a lubricant. The semen either comes out or it doesn't. Blue balls sounds like either infection or testicular torsion but I might be wrong on everything I just said so take it with pinch of salt  

[SamC]

On 2020-10-03 at 1:16 PM, Leo Gura said:

[insert Picard facepalm]

Why the facepalm Leo? It would be much better to explain where I'm wrong so that me and all the other people can learn and grow from my inaccuracies (:

Maybe self deception is the wrong word, but in a sense it's kinda true. Your subconcious mind litterly thinks you're getting laid - when you're not.

 Can porn be of higher conciousness? I struggle to see it ( maybe beause I am decived + confirmation bias, idk.. If so, do you have examples/ any recommendations where I could find it high conciousness porn ((; lmao

All love

Edited October 4, 2020 by SamC

[Martin123]

@SamC I think it's important to differentiate between the consumption of pornography and masturbation as an expression of your sexual energy.

Pornography is not helpful or to be strived for, it is an addictive thing, that alters your brain chemistry and affects your energy in a way that creates more stagnation rather than expansion. This doesn't mean that we have to beat ourselves up over having the addiction, but also be aware that the only reason we would ever watch pornography is to build up enough consciousness within us to go through all the withdrawal symptoms and eventually transform that pattern and quit completely. Always with compassion and love towards ourselves, with love that says 'I won't give you porn because I understand the negative consequences.'

It is a  dependency on an external substance to 'feel good', and to avoid the discomfort of not having that. IT is drug-like energy, where perhaps not as severe as heroin addiction, but in the similar boat with substances that aren't okay to use at all. It's jus that porn is socially acceptable (just like many other addictions like smoking, vaping, shisha, emotional eating...).

This is not to be seen from a moral stand-point of saying 'porn and sex are bad', not at all, but porn can only be addictive, the only difference between 'regular' masturbation and 'porn masturbation' is the fact that it alters your brain. So justifying porn comes always from a place of unconsciousness.


Masturbation is lovely, I really love how there are women who use masturbation to 'explore their bodies' and to 'expand their inner power', with men it often isn't like that, yet they too have this capacity. Through orgasms I have released gallons of tension from my abdomen and hip areas where gallons of trauma were stored in my body, and it aided my healing process well.
But of course even with masturbation we can come from the mindset of escaping discomfort and chasing pleasure, which again is a pattern of addiction.

I have also overcome a severe porno addiction that I had since I was about 12 years old, and it took a long time and a lot of healing to finally get to the other side of it, but it eventually happened. And it is a very freeing feeling to know that I no longer am addicted to something that dictated whether I felt good or bad.

Edited October 3, 2020 by Martin123

[Name]

Porn is more powerful than hard drugs for some individuals.I read journals of people who were porn addicts and addicts on opiods,they said that the porn addiction was much worse.
It literally floods your brain with dopamine, you can't think straight from that point,you are just compulsive.

 

It hooks you and makes you addicted.

And it deplates you sexually.

If you're a man and you waste your semen too much you'll fuck your life up.

 

Also porn is a weapon to weaken the population.

Why do you think that 10 years old kids have access to the most mental and spiritual kind of pornography in 5 seconds and there is no filter?

 

Leo is super deluded here, he has no clue.

Don't bother to change his mind as he is is not open minded about it.

He still thinks that watching porn is a need for men.

 

Take our word for it,porn makes you a pervert.

On 10/2/2020 at 1:50 PM, SamC said:

My intuition is telling me; porn and masturbation creates more suffering and is not something that goes well, with spirituality.

you're absolutely right

[Name]

https://www.change.org/p/shut-down-pornhub-and-hold-its-executives-accountable-for-aiding-trafficking

Also if I were you guys I would read this too.

Pornhub is directly related to human trafficking.

[Martin123]

@Name Thanks for the share! I had no idea there was such a dark side to it, and while I haven't fact checked any of it, if even a grain of those things is true (traffickinghub.com) the issue of porn runs much deepere than altered brain chemistry of consumers, but the unimaginable horrors of sexual abuse and sex-trafficking. 

[Leo Gura]

Stop watching PornHub. Buy quality porn.