Is it possible to be highly conscious but against covid lockdowns + mandatory masks?

[Parththakkar12]

15 hours ago, Preety_India said:

I never understand what the big fuss is about wearing a mask. They are acting like someone's telling them to wear a space suit. 

 

Americans are really uncompromising people compared to our culture. Here in India, we hold compromise as this great value that you're 'self-sacrificing for the community'. Not the case elsewhere!

[peachboy]

There is nothing more symptomatic of low consciousness than the combination of "fear of death / love of family". It is a neurochemical remanent of the animal condition. 

Death as state (the opposite of life) cannot exist due to the impossibility of unconsciousness in the first-person.

Death as process (the opposite of birth) is fundamental, allowing for the stability of the experience that we know as life. If we had a constant stream of births with no deaths, we'd quickly have a manifestation of hell on earth.

It is true that the "fear of death / love of family" complex also grants stability to the temporal nature of the animal condition. The difference is, that the "fear of death / love of family" complex is a recreational illusion.

Death is not one of the primary antagonists. Not even close.

The primary antagonists are:-

1. Suffering.

2. Lack of freedom.

3. Ignorance.

At any point in eternity, these are the antagonists that you can expect to come up against.

But death itself has no dominion. And without death, the illusion of personal identity explodes into infinity taking collective identity and group preference with it.

Therefore an assessment has to be made of how much suffering is being generated, how much "lack of freedom" is being generated and how much ignorance is being generated for the entire collective.

If the "fear of death / love of family" delusion is allowed to have higher antagonistic prominence than any of the three genuine antagonists, then you're looking at a manifestation of insanity, or at least a continuation of the animal experience at the expense of spiritual development.

The COVID situation is an example of society wielding the paper-tiger of death as the ultimate enemy, while simultaneously inviting the three actual enemies in through the backdoor.

Ask yourself how much suffering is the lockdown generating? How much freedom is the lockdown taking away? How much ignorance is the lockdown predicated on?

Write a list.

You could talk about the wrecking of the economy, people losing their jobs, alcoholism increasing, businesses collapsing, people being forced out onto the streets, depression, anxiety, confusion, what you're allowed to do, what you're not allowed to do, people you're allowed to see, people you're not allowed to see, places you're allowed to go, places you're not allowed to go, questionable data, questionable vaccines, questionable everything.

I could go on, but you get the point.

In any event, as a civilisation we have a completely dysfunctional relationship with the nature of death and it's time we grew up.

Life is effectively a rollercoaster. You queue up. You sit in the car. The rollercoaster does its thing. And finally on that fateful day, the car returns to the station.  Respectfully, you leave the ride so that other people queuing up can enjoy the experience that you have just experienced. There's no need to worry: there's an entire amusement park outside waiting for you.

What you don't do, is get all pissy about it and demand to stay on the rollercoaster because "you love your grandma so much and she's here with you on a nice day trip" and therefore that gives you a right to stay on for longer.

When it's time to leave, it's time to leave. That's where it starts and ends. Period.

[Leo Gura]

Not wearing masks is about owning the Libs. It's symbolic.

[Samuel11]

The Dutch institute for public health was against it when they came out of the first lockdown, as they feared that masks would make people keep less distance from eachother, and that it would be safer to focus more on keeping distance than masks. They also estimated that a lot of people would wear them incorrectly making them less safe. Masks became mandatory in public transport but nowhere else. Now that cases are growing rapidly and people are not keeping distance anyways they are heavily recommended indoors and in the process of becoming mandatory.

[w4read]

What are your thoughts about "the value of life"? 

You think that putting a price tag on a year of expected life time and then multiplying that by the number of years we expect to save, and then put that cost up against all the different costs of all the measures that we take in order to control the disease, is a good comparison? 

[Member]

@commie

Talking about empathy:

Not wearing a mask is linked to antisocial traits, study finds

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When profiles were analysed, two were identified: an antisocial pattern profile who were resistant to Covid-19 safety measures and an empathy pattern profile who were compliant.

The antisocial profile was linked to higher scores in the personality questions related to “callousness, deceitfulness, hostility, impulsivity, irresponsibility, manipulativeness, and risk-taking”, antisocial traits which, the study notes, “are typically present in people diagnosed with Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASPD)". This group also had lower scores in affective resonance.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/mask-wearing-anti-social-personality-traits-study-brazil-b1347252.html

Edited October 30, 2020 by Member

[commie]

42 minutes ago, Member said:

@commie

Talking about empathy:

Not wearing a mask is linked to antisocial traits, study finds

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/mask-wearing-anti-social-personality-traits-study-brazil-b1347252.html

We weren't talking about wearing masks.

[PurpleTree]

i'm for masks and think it's irresponsible if people don't wear them in public transport or they don't wear it over their nose etc.

with lock downs it depends, i think "light" lockdowns are good, like no groups bigger than this, shops etc. mostly open.

people need to act like grown ups and not like children