To Those Who Support Red Pill

[Preety_India]

Please respect women 

Love to all. 

I want this forum to be a loving fruitful place and not a dumping ground for redpillers 

Red pill threads are against forum guidelines. 

I'm a very  old member on this forum, been here for years. I'm a very happy woman in a happy relationship. I don't hate men at all. In fact there are a lot of respectful men I love to have interactions with in real life. I happily enjoy the support of men(and women). 

I have seen tons and tons, day after day, some new guy everyday opens a thread on a red pill topic and spews all hate against women calling them all kinds of manipulative cuss words and what not, almost like a hate brigade. The moderators on the forum had to constantly remind them and even after being told kindly to change their attitude, they would go after the female moderator here, to the point they drove her mad, she didn't want to be in this section anymore, they would harass and bully her, I stood up for her many times, yet this trend continued and this section turned into a cesspit of raging hate against women. Those days she would quickly come to this section to correct these dudes. Not anymore. 

I understand that men who were traumatized by women want their grievances to be heard and need some venting, but this can be done in a conscious manner without stereotyping all women or calling all women evil and adding more fodder to the already existent misogynistic mindset in the world. 

Just like men who get traumatized by women, women also have to deal with their own fair share of abuse from abusive boyfriends, exploitative bosses or abusive husbands and even random stranger men who stalk, abuse, bully, rape and murder women. Consider a woman's POV as well. 

Today you see a tremendous escalation in sexual violence perpetrated against women, crimes against women go on, yet women respect men, have relationships with them, marry them and bear children. If all women hated men then humanity wouldn't exist. 

We as women respect you men, we still trust men despite having subjected to oppression for centuries under patriarchal regimes. 

Pregnancy is not an easy thing. It takes a toll on a woman's body and mind. Yet we take on motherhood and give birth and raise kids with love. So it feels like a slap in the face when men come around in large numbers and make everything look like a woman's fault. 

Often times these men relate their side of their stories but the women is defenseless because we don't know the other side of the story so we tend to side with the man's version of the story. 

Yes I understand that the divorce laws can look like they are in the favor of women, but are all divorces the fault of a woman? How many of these divorced men are ready to accept their own role in causing the divorce? 

Addressing a man's issues in relationships, marriage/divorce should not come at the cost of berating and hating all women. There are a lot of wonderful women, girlfriends, wives and mothers out there and lots of happy men who are happy with women, let's not poison that dynamic. 

I had opened a thread very long ago on here and I was simply asking for advice regarding an abusive ex boyfriend and they turned my whole thread into a discussion of why women like me want such men, when it had nothing to do with it, constantly Gaslighting me, to the point I was no longer interested in getting any advice, any woman who entered this section would have a bunch of words thrown at her. 

This thing continued till Leo had to step in and he made a common thread, a featured thread telling the men here to stop blaming women and work on themselves to be better at being with women. 

I have seen all of this go down and there's a limit to how much you can take. These same guys would make different accounts and harass the female moderator. I don't see her much in the dating section anymore. So much for giving space to all the red pillers and hearing them out? Or is it that they are simply seeking validation for toxic thoughts and are never open to the idea that they work on themselves to attract better women? 

My goal is to create a balance. Women on this forum are extremely few, like a rarity almost. You don't see women coming here in large numbers bashing men or bashing men and calling them evil. 

On many  threads the word manipulative b**'h has already been used several times. 

It gets to a point that all the toxicity gets very traumatizing everyday and good members are not heard, driven out by name calling or are bullied.. 

I'm the only remaining female who had the courage to take a stand against this in the dating section. Most females would not even enter such a conversation out of fear of being bullied. 

At what cost are we supposed to hear these men or their toxic ideology? 

This should be a safe place for women who are here to get advice and to connect with others. 

I have given plenty and plenty of good advice to men here over the years. Many men have even approached me personally for advice. Many have thanked me.. 

The thing is if a guy comes in here with a respectful tone, (not a trollish tone), and is asking for genuine advice on his relationship I try to tell him the best course of action in his situation. And they respectfully understand and respond. 

But the red pill type guys do not come here respectfully, they start threads to outrage women, to do mudslinging and they want me to agree to their hateful ideology. 

It's similar if I opened a thread and called all men rapists just because one man sexually assaulted me. Would that be fair? And if I intensely disagreed with all the men trying to explain me that it's not true. How many men on the forum will put up with that? That would be wrong for me to do. Similarly it's wrong for men to stereotype women on here. 

I'm taking a brave stance here.  I can easily say that it's none of my business. But I care about that female moderator and how most women feel but don't say it. 

Then they start with a kernel of truth argument. There is also some truth to nazism, so should we now allow nazism to fly on here, or give them a platform? 

Do you wanna know the real truth? These men will never be able to say things, the most toxic, sexist, hateful things in public because they would be quickly  called out, so like Anonymous keyboard edgelords, they come in here on the internet and find places where they can dump their toxic thoughts and use it like a dump ground every day. It's so easy to do that without repercussions and keep trolling the good members and get their daily dose of "High"... 

This is a vulnerable site and there are a few vulnerable women on here. I have been to plenty of sites and I have faced tremendous amount of cyberbullying for months from toxic men on the internet, to the point I began to suffer health issues coming from that trauma of bullying 

I don't want this place to turn into something like that. I feel safe here thanks to the moderators. 

I don't want this place similar to other places on the internet where red pill men seek out their rage and bully vulnerable women like me. 

I feel protected here because Leo takes a firm stand against such behavior that a lot of website founders don't care to on the internet. 

There is already enough space on the internet for red pillers, look at Reddit 

But there is an extremely small space for women like me and others and this place is one of the rare ones. I don't want this to be corrupted and become like other Red Pill Communities. 

That's why I stand against it. To protect the sanity here. Before you think about giving space to them, please think about giving space to all the women. Anyway they are very few. 

 

Over the years I have seen plenty of good women leave this forum out of extreme frustration after being bullied by the Red Pill guys. They stay while the women leave. 

So my outrage is legit. 

 

To all those who support Red Pill this is your thread 

 

[Globalcollective]

@Preety_India yes its crazy isn't it. Especially on a forum that is so heavily interested in spiritual concepts you would think people would be able to see the wholes in red pill. I guess the best thing to do is try and understand why people adopt this mindset then try and show understanding and help them evolve out of it. 

My theory is this is a product of everything moving online. Young men growing up now lack real life experience so base a lot of there Ideas from stuff like online dating and social media which gives a false projection to how socialising really is in real life. I use to be so bad at relating and connecting to women. I was definitely on the autistic spectrum due to mental and learning difficulties so I was a prime candidate as someone who might end up falling down the red pill rabbit whole but I didn't. The difference is I took full responsibility and decided to change my situation and I did so I know other people can to so its very sad to see this. 

Also another problem is there just seems to be lacking a healthy and wholistic approach for men to learn how to relate to women out there on the internet. 

[Preety_India]

@Globalcollective I so agree with you. Wonderful. Thank you so much. 

 

[Preety_India]

@Globalcollective  you made such an excellent point about social media. 

I hope they will be able to see through the bullshit that the internet and social media has fed them and wake up out of it. 

 

[Opo]

2 minutes ago, Globalcollective said:

@Preety_India 

My theory is this is a product of everything moving online. Young men growing up now lack real life experience so base a lot of there Ideas from stuff like online dating and social media which gives a false projection to how socialising really is in real life. I use to be so bad at relating and connecting to women.

If you think young men are bad you have never met older men. I still didn't process the shit I saw. 

I agree there are problems but we are improving. 

[Parththakkar12]

@Preety_India Out of curiosity, on a scale of 1-10, how feminine would you consider yourself? What's your relationship to femininity?

[Preety_India]

 

39 minutes ago, dflores321 said:

@Sri McDonald Trump Maharaj

What a lot of these red pill men dont realize is you are what you attract. 

Which means, you are responsible for the women in your life, even if she's some crazy toxic person.

You made a very good point. 

 

 

 

[Globalcollective]

@Opo

4 minutes ago, Opo said:

If you think young men are bad you have never met older men. I still didn't process the shit I saw. 

I agree there are problems but we are improving. 

@Opo Of course, for older men its slight different reasons as to why they fall into the red pill trap. I actually know some well known advocates of red pill personally and some of them are older and didn't grown up in the internet generation. I witness there journey from self improvement into red pill and it was interesting. A lot of them do talks at this convention called the under 21s. The man who started that convention was a cool young dude who was looking to improve himself. He then became a victim of narcissism abuse in his marriage so it caused trauma in him and his way of dealing with it was to blame women as a whole rather then take the responsibility that he allowed someone like that to hurt him so much. I actually went through the same problem but never once blamed the other person. 

If your committed to a life of love truth and growth you'll wiz past red pill and it will be so far beyond you you wouldn't touch it with a barge poll. You think if Jesus was around today he would be a red piller? 

 

[Preety_India]

 

 

@Globalcollective  more people like you are needed on this forum. 

 

[Preety_India]

 

@dflores321  yes. I completely agree. 

I wish they would see it. 

 

[Bulgarianspirit]

I support it after my ex almost made me kill myself,go into debt and find god(crazy life)

But basically i will never trust a woman the same again, i was even thinking of going monk.

However i dont blame her it's all my fault for even loving her. She was a user pretending to be sick and unable to work so i provide for her. Then she just cheated with a richer dude.

I also lost faith in love, hypergamy is very real and i want to protect myself otherwise i might end up in the gutter.

Let women love all the rich,muscular men out there(was cheated by both my girlfriends) 

I just don't want to play a losing game anymore.

[Bulgarianspirit]

7 minutes ago, dflores321 said:

@Bulgarianspirit dude I totally know how you feel, I wasn't cheated on but something similar happened to me. 

This is exactly it, she didn't make you do anything. I know it's tough I can emphasize with this pain, but this was all your psychology. 

We speak with others usually because we want to hear thoughts, when we hear our own thoughts coming from others then that's when we get closer to them(good friends, girl/boyfriends).

If you're attached to a woman who is toxic, speaks harshly towards you, or thinks of cheating on you, these are actually your thoughts and you secretly like listening to them in a twisted way. 

Empty promises for love,sticking together etc. But i don't care anymore man i see this all around me wherever i go, the red pill is very real.

Many of my friends and colleagues had their relationships end, things just end, but i don't want to be on the losing side anymore.

For me men invest more,women can just leave and find a better mate. I will focus on myself and money,even if a woman comes along, if she strays i wave her goodbye,without remorse.

Also i'm never getting married, what is mine is mine.

I fell in love only because a lack of love from family and abuse.

Now i know there is no love for me out there.

Edited September 23, 2020 by Bulgarianspirit

[Globalcollective]

@Preety_India ❤️ likewise  

[Globalcollective]

31 minutes ago, Bulgarianspirit said:

I support it after my ex almost made me kill myself,go into debt and find god(crazy life)

But basically i will never trust a woman the same again, i was even thinking of going monk.

However i dont blame her it's all my fault for even loving her. She was a user pretending to be sick and unable to work so i provide for her. Then she just cheated with a richer dude.

I also lost faith in love, hypergamy is very real and i want to protect myself otherwise i might end up in the gutter.

Let women love all the rich,muscular men out there(was cheated by both my girlfriends) 

I just don't want to play a losing game anymore.

Sorry to hear about this dude and the difficult situation you found yourself in. It might be worth taking a deeper look into why this happened. But understand a lot of this is a deeper reflection on who we are and the beliefs we have adopted about ourselves, reality and women. I find myself in the opposite situations, its normally the women who Is loyal and loving and if anything the man is more likely to cheat and take advantage of the women. Im not rich and don't have big muscles so I don't know what that says about your hypergamy theory. if you develop yourself into a wholesome authentic human who dose not live in fear and can love without fear then who in there right mind would cheat on you? also it would be very hard for you to have shallow relationships with people trapped into material pursuits from this point. 

The more you heal yourself of your own trauma the more you can see it in others and catch it when other people try and project there problems onto you or manipulate you. This forum is meant to encourage people to take this path. Im not saying there are not terrible people out there who will make your life a misery but its your job to learn how to reconize it and prevent them from entering into your life. 

Edited September 23, 2020 by Globalcollective

[Opo]

15 minutes ago, Bulgarianspirit said:

Empty promises for love,sticking together etc. But i don't care anymore man i see this all around me wherever i go, the red pill is very real.

Many of my friends and colleagues had their relationships end, things just end, but i don't want to be on the losing side anymore.

For me men invest more,women can just leave and find a better mate. I will focus on myself and money,even if a woman comes along, if she strays i wave her goodbye,without remorse.

Also i'm never getting married, what is mine is mine.

I fell in love only because a lack of love from family and abuse.

Now i know there is no love for me out there.

Dude try looking into mdma therapy, it'll save your life. 

[Preety_India]

 

16 minutes ago, Bulgarianspirit said:

I support it after my ex almost made me kill myself,go into debt and find god(crazy life)

But basically i will never trust a woman the same again, i was even thinking of going monk.

However i dont blame her it's all my fault for even loving her. She was a user pretending to be sick and unable to work so i provide for her. Then she just cheated with a richer dude.

I also lost faith in love, hypergamy is very real and i want to protect myself otherwise i might end up in the gutter.

Let women love all the rich,muscular men out there(was cheated by both my girlfriends) 

I just don't want to play a losing game anymore.

There are a lot of things to unpack here. Also please read Leo's thread on how to be good at attracting better women. 

I have a similar story to tell, except that the gender roles are reversed.. I was thoroughly mentally abused by men in my relationships, made to suffer, both physically and mentally, lost a whole lot of money spending on the guy who was a fraud and an abuser. And this was not just once. Many times. The last boyfriend was intensely abusive and violent. The one before that was a blackmailer and he caused me to land up in hospital under terrible conditions. 

I lost a little bit of trust with men after that but I did not sit and demonize all men although I was scared that I might get abused again and I didn't want to lose myself. Yet I dared to date again despite my past trauma. And then, I was blessed with a wonderful boyfriend who was very supportive of me and he was never abusive or violent. 

You're living in negativity. I could have said that all men are bad and that I don't trust men anymore and hated all men. Stereotype an entire class of people just because I had bad experiences in life. 

And the other part is this.. Maybe I was attracting such men because I wasn't being rigorous enough with my choices so I was attracting the low quality ones. Have you thought about that? 

Let's say if I'm attracted to a man only for his looks but he is known to beat and abuse his past girlfriends and he acts bad with me, but I still continue such a relationship, then whose fault is it? 

Maybe you're attracted to women only on the basis of looks. You are not evaluating them for character. So you are constantly attracted only those types who treat you badly. What if you decided to choose a good woman and raised your standards, perhaps you wouldn't have such an experience. 

I can say I was naive in the beginning in choosing men. But now I'm smarter. Often times we put the entire blame on the opposite gender and play victim all our lives. This is a trap. To be unable to see our own fault in attracting the worst types. How about asking the self - "why am I attracting such women/men?" 

So part of the blame also lies on you as to why you allow such suffering in your life by attracting the wrong kind? 

Most men and women attract a toxic partner, either because they are naive or because they don't have a rigorous standard for dating. To blame an entire gender for your dating problems is not a fair thing. 

Also staying in your negativity for the rest of your life means you are closing all doors to new opportunities. You are not ready to keep your mind and heart open for new positive experiences. 

I didn't do that. I allowed myself to recover and be open to new experiences despite a horrible past and my positivity was rewarded with a wonderful partner finally after a lot of struggle. But it was worth it. 

See the negative spiral you fall into when you stereotype all women. 

Bad experiences in relationships is not exclusive for men. It happens to women as well 

In the end it's your choice to use that bad experience to color your whole life or to get up and be open to better experiences by changing yourself and your choices in life. 

 

[Opo]

55 minutes ago, Globalcollective said:

@Opo

@Opo You think if Jesus was around today he would be a red piller? 

 

Lol how did you get to that? 

[Globalcollective]

2 minutes ago, Opo said:

Lol how did you get to that? 

Just trying to make a point that you can reach a point in your development where you are free of the suffering red pill is born from. You said it yourself MDMA therapy ?

 

Edited September 23, 2020 by Globalcollective

[Bulgarianspirit]

 I honestly don't know i just don't want to repeat the same mistakes. It is difficult sometimes to judge people, the women i was with were pretending. 

They were total materialists in the end, only looks and status matter to them. This is why i don't trust anyone. However i know the fault is my own, i should have never let anyone use me or get so close to me, without doubting their lies. Probably not all women are like that , heck i'm just living in a perception bubble. but i just want peace and quiet at this point. Maybe in the far future i will have healed, but now my life is a mess. About the mdma therapy thing, i would never hurt myself in any way. I keep having out of body experiences and it's like my soul doesn't want to be here anymore. I hope things get better, but i would never hurt my family in any way, i know my time here is limited anyways.

[Preety_India]

@Bulgarianspirit  I wish you peace.