Unpopular Opinion: Reproduction is not an ilusion

[Loving Radiance]

1 hour ago, Name said:

The line between you, the body, and everything else around it, it's an well defined line that you can't break.

The direct experience of a regular shroom trip will prove otherwise my fren.

You construct the lines & then you think they were there the whole time (which is of course partially true).

Edited September 23, 2020 by Loving Radiance

[Name]

20 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It will never makes to ego that ego is a fiction. The physical, biological difference you think that exists between you and me, is ego. That is the fiction!

Physics is a fiction.

Biology is a fiction.

History is a fiction.

 

20 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You and I are identical.

This is what I see when you say that, but with 7.8 billions people.

and every other being that exists.

From this realm and the DMT hyperspaec realm and all the realms together.

So if you're me and we 2 are somehow identical why is that you can't lift my arm?

Or control my body.

Or show me a sign that I can see from my own experience.

24 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Awakening cannot be explained to an unawakened person.

Take a psychedelic if you really want to know how you're wrong

okay I will.

 

24 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You have no idea what an enlightenment is. You have egoic ideas of it which are nowhere even close to the real thing.

I mean ,what I said was the gist of your teachings.

I somehow quoted you and you said that it is wrong, to your own teachings.

26 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You are so wrong that it cannot possibly be explained to you.

But it's a fact that you can't do miracles.

right Leo?

 

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Name said:

 

This is what I see when you say that, but with 7.8 billions people.

and every other being that exists.

That's your ego's idea of it, sure.

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So if you're me and we 2 are somehow identical why is that you can't lift my arm?

I have been lifting your arms your whole life.

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Or control my body.

I have been controlling your body since you were born.

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Or show me a sign that I can see from my own experience.

I am looking through your eyes right now, silly.

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None of the above can make sense to you because you believe I am not you.

I am you typing this thread.

You won't get it without a profound, radical awakening.

[Fran11]

18 minutes ago, Name said:

So if you're me and we 2 are somehow identical why is that you can't lift my arm?

Why in a dream you feel you can only control one character and not every character if they are all you? Does this mean they have an independant will of their own?

 

Edited September 23, 2020 by Fran11

[Leo Gura]

Notice, when you say that I cannot lift up your arm, this begs the question because you sneak in the implicit assumption of my arm vs your arm, which is the very fiction we are here to deconstruct.

When you stop thinking in terms of my arm vs your arm, you will have the possibility of realizing that my arm IS your arm!

"This is mine, that is his." << this is pure fiction! You might as well believe in Santa Claus.

[Name]

@Leo Gura I get it, all is the same from God's point of view.

But from the duality realm, we are separate.

I live in Romania, you live in LasVegas

You have your body, I have mine.

This is very pragmatic and can be verified through direct experience.

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I am looking through your eyes right now, silly.

okay,I just randomised a number between 1 and 1 million.

what was the result?

If you have access to my direct experience and we are the same can you tell me the result?

I saved it in a notepad.

no, because you have access to your direct experience and not to mine.

this is the limitation that I was talking about and you cannot change.

You say that this is my ego's limitation.

But if you broke from your ego's POV and say that you can access more, can you tell me the answer, what is the number?

(when I say you I mean Leo, not God).

 

It's one awareness field, but it is splitted.

 

Right?

 

 

 

 

 

[Haloman]

27 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

"This is mine, that is his." << this is pure fiction!

But these are just intellectual gymnastics based on God consciousness. Our emotions don't respond to this fiction. Otherwise your bank account is my also - can you please send me some money?  Just don't start to believe that I'm not you.

[Leo Gura]

25 minutes ago, Name said:

@Leo Gura I get it, all is the same from God's point of view.

But from the duality realm, we are separate.

I live in Romania, you live in LasVegas

You have your body, I have mine.

This is very pragmatic and can be verified through direct experience.

Why do you insist in reinforcing that dream?

25 minutes ago, Name said:

okay,I just randomised a number between 1 and 1 million.

what was the result?

If you have access to my direct experience and we are the same can you tell me the result?

I saved it in a notepad.

The result is precisely whatever you are experiencing.

You are imagining my experience in order to reinforce your self of seperation and reality.

I am just a projection of your mind.

[Name]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Why do you insist in reinforcing that dream?

why do you dismiss it as a reality?

I get it.It's not the ultimate reality,but Isn't God the one who came up with the idea in the first place to experience himself as a human being?

Why do we dismiss it now?

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The result is precisely whatever you are experiencing.

but we are the same.

'' you are experiencing'' isn't equal to ''i am experiencing'' since they are the same?

 

 

 

[Leo Gura]

@Name You are the only being the existence. What you see right now is all that exists.

[Name]

I don't get it.

Do you mean sight?

So whatever leaves my sight it means that it doesn't exist anymore?

If I leave the kitchen this means that the kitchen doesn't exist anymore because I don't see it?

This means that my eyes don't exist?

But they are real.

right?

@Leo Gura

Edited September 23, 2020 by Name
forgot to tag Leonardo

[Chris365]

10 minutes ago, Name said:

I don't get it.

Do you mean sight?

So whatever leaves my sight it means that it doesn't exist anymore?

If I leave the kitchen this means that the kitchen doesn't exist anymore because I don't see it?

This means that my eyes don't exist?

But they are real.

right?

You said before you knew objective reality doesn't exist. These words above show you don't really know that. 

What is, to you, the meaning of 'objective' in 'objective reality'?

Edited September 23, 2020 by Chris365

[Name]

1 minute ago, Chris365 said:

You said before you knew objective reality doesn't exist. These words above show you don't really know that. 

Hold on mate.

I didn't contradict myself.

Subjectivity doesn't imply that if I close my eyes the reality stops existing.

This would mean that blinds live nowhere, althogh they live in the same reality as we do.

They are just unable to perceive it.

 

[RedLine]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Why do you insist in reinforcing that dream?

The result is precisely whatever you are experiencing.

You are imagining my experience in order to reinforce your self of seperation and reality.

I am just a projection of your mind.

When you say "I am looking through your eyes right now" Aren't you dreaming too?

You are using a lot of concepts (illusions) there: you are using words to begin with, you are using the concept "I", you are using the concept "looking", "eyes", etc.

You are communicating through language so you are aa wrong as that materialistic guy is. You always assume you are speaking from some kind of direct-experice/high-consciusness POV but you are speaking, so it's not direct-expericene anymore. You are using words and you aren't creating that words, the words were socially constructed.

 

Edited September 23, 2020 by RedLine

[Carl-Richard]

Classic example of conflating the relative with the absolute. I'm going to make a meme now.

[Name]

 

4 minutes ago, RedLine said:

When you say "I am looking through your eyes right now" Aren't you dreaming too?

yep, that's exactly what I keep saying.

Leo talks like he transcended Leo and he merged with God forever.

 

[RedLine]

10 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Classic example of conflating the relative with the absolute. I'm going to make a meme now.

10 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Classic example of conflating the relative with the absolute. I'm going to make a meme now.

"I am looking through your eyes right now" clearly includes the Absolute and the relative so you cannot state that and then argue this with "you don't know because you are not consciusness enough, go and meditate/takedmt". Since the assertion includes the relative (separate sustances) it should be justified with words, rationally. Otherwise you better shut up and limit yourself to give instructions to meditation instead of give methafisical answers (that includes the relative) that you cannot jusitfy.

Edited September 23, 2020 by RedLine

[Chris365]

25 minutes ago, Name said:

Hold on mate.

I didn't contradict myself.

Subjectivity doesn't imply that if I close my eyes the reality stops existing.

This would mean that blinds live nowhere, althogh they live in the same reality as we do.

They are just unable to perceive it.

 

Non existence of objective reality means that there's nothing outside of your subjective perception.

There's slightly more to perceiving than seeing, but yes, that's what it means.

27 minutes ago, Name said:

althogh they live in the same reality as we do.

So you do assume there is a 'common' 'objective' reality.

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Go deeper

/Leo

 

[Carl-Richard]

9 minutes ago, RedLine said:

"I am looking through your eyes right now" clearly includes the Absolute and the relative so you cannot state that and then argue this with "you don't know because you are not consciusness enough, go and meditate/takedmt". Since the assertion includes the relative (separate sustances) it should be justified with words, rationally. Otherwise you better shut up and limit yourself to give instructions to meditation instead of give methafisical answers (that includes the relative) that you cannot jusitfy.

What?

[Loving Radiance]

@Carl-Richard I'd like to see that meme :))